Plo Koon vs. AOTC Obi Wan

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Retarded is saying "that's dueling, not Force" as if they are two separate things. Hint: the Force is used in duelling. Shocker.

And it involves skill and stylistic edges. You are basically saying "oh there's a quote that says Kenobi > Anakin in Force? Too bad it's contradicted by this feat involving the force, skill and various edges in combat."

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not seeing any evidence Ataru was his secondary form at the time. Why use your weaker form against an opponent like Dooku?

On the other hand no, there is no evidence Anakin has mastered Djem So yet.

Yeah because he could really defeat Dooku using only Soresu...

Before you are knighted you are required to master a form other than Shii-Cho, considering a few weeks later Anakin was a knight he had to master Djem-So or be ****ing close to it.

But yeah it's really helping your case to presume someone who didn't even master Djem So can press a Top5 duelist of all time with Djem So...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Stomped him in a duel that lasted several minutes, with neither opponent being outright defeated. Get with the program indeed, i.e. the English language. 👆

It's almost if that duel had circumstances. If almost if those circumstances were listed in the novel. It's almost as if being a native english speaker you can't distinguish their, they're, and there. So how about you don't patronize me and actually pick up the book 😂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Please do, I'm specifically looking for the part where Kenobi stomps Ventress, must have been cut from the movie or something.

Is it such a foreign thought to you that someone holds back significantly in duel and when goes all out stomps the opponent? But sure, give me a few mins.

"And you'll have to learn to keep your mouth shut." She leaped around the column from the other side. Her blade missed his head by a fraction as he ducked, and sent a cloud of dust sparkling from the stone. Kenobi raced away.

She pursued. He's not invincible. He couldn't take Fett. But he's not trying this time.
--The Clone Wars

She didn't have time to stop and check her comm for an update on Skywalker and his escape attempt.
--The Clone Wars

At the top of the stairs was a window that ran the full height of the wall, and Kenobi was standing there as if he was waiting for her to catch up. The ornately patterned colored transparisteel of the window itself had been blown out by shelling. He was silhouetted against the afternoon sun.

It was a gesture of contempt. It said that he could take her any time he liked. And it made her angrier than ever.
--The Clone Wars

Kenobi looked up at the sky. "Feel it?"

Ventress readied herself for another diversionary tactic. She'd been preoccupied trying to contain Kenobi, too busy and angry to concentrate on feeling the subtler variations in the Force, and any suggestion that she should turn her attention elsewhere wasn't going to work. But now that she'd stopped for a moment, she felt it.

Skywalker was gone.
--The Clone Wars

After this point is when Kenobi went all out, before that it was all for show:

"Lay down your weapons."

He came back at her with his lightsaber raised, and they stood toe-to-toe, locking blades and struggling. She had to warn Dooku that Skywalker was coming. She needed to end this charade. She stepped back to swing again with both blades, but Kenobi caught the tip of one and sent it spinning from her hand.

"Surrender," he said.
--The Clone Wars

In case you forgot Beni, this is how Kenobi operates:

“A fight is never a goal in itself. Sometimes it is simply a distraction from the true goal, and best countered with a larger distraction."

Before you put up a false bravado at least make sure you are actually right 👆

Take your own advice kek, in none of those passages you raised did Kenobi stomp Ventress. 😂

Its nice to see how much above ventress kenobi is, but given that koon disarmed a stronger version of ventress while injured, was ablse to break right through her force defenses like kenobi did, and that the version of kenobi here who performed so well vs ventress is>aotc anakin. This doesn't put aotc kenobi above koon

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Take your own advice kek, in none of those passages you raised did Kenobi stomp Ventress. 😂

Are you illiterate? Maybe read it again:

"Lay down your weapons."

He came back at her with his lightsaber raised, and they stood toe-to-toe, locking blades and struggling. She had to warn Dooku that Skywalker was coming. She needed to end this charade. She stepped back to swing again with both blades, but Kenobi caught the tip of one and sent it spinning from her hand.

"Surrender," he said.
--The Clone Wars

Disarming someone in 2 moves is a stomp in my book, idk about you.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
And it involves skill and stylistic edges. You are basically saying "oh there's a quote that says Kenobi > Anakin in Force? Too bad it's contradicted by this feat involving the force, skill and various edges in combat."

Yeah because he could really defeat Dooku using only Soresu...

Before you are knighted you are required to master a form other than Shii-Cho, considering a few weeks later Anakin was a knight he had to master Djem-So or be ****ing close to it.

But yeah it's really helping your case to presume someone who didn't even master Djem So can press a Top5 duelist of all time with Djem So...

It's almost if that duel had circumstances. If almost if those circumstances were listed in the novel. It's almost as if being a native english speaker you can't distinguish their, they're, and there. So how about you don't patronize me and actually pick up the book 😂

So let's be clear, Kenobi did not stomp Ventress, not in TCW nor anywhere else. The idea that he could rather beggaring belief when he failed to do so on Christophsis despite having Anakin for backup.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Are you illiterate? Maybe read it again:

"Lay down your weapons."

He came back at her with his lightsaber raised, and they stood toe-to-toe, locking blades and struggling. She had to warn Dooku that Skywalker was coming. She needed to end this charade. She stepped back to swing again with both blades, but Kenobi caught the tip of one and sent it spinning from her hand.

"Surrender," he said.
--The Clone Wars

Disarming someone in 2 moves is a stomp in my book, idk about you.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Funny I don't remember saying that, try not to let the red mist obscure your vision every time something negative is even insinuated about ol'Obi-Wan. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
[QUOTE=16116024]Originally posted by SunRazer
[B]They're both level 7 for dueling. But Ventress claims that Obi-Wan is more powerful:

Fair, though their duels against Dooku certainly suggest otherwise. [/B][/QUOTE]

mmm

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He could employ both yeah, seems more likely Ataru was the only form he had properly mastered at the time.

He picked up Soresu after TPM, so nah.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's called Shien yeah, not the same.

Sure things 🙄

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You are right zoltan, it was wrong of me to criticise your language skills, what you actually did was simply lie. 🙁

Your illiteracy doesn't equate to me lying. Don't be so salty.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So let's be clear, Kenobi did not stomp Ventress, not in TCW nor anywhere else. The idea that he could rather beggaring belief when he failed to do so on Christophsis despite having Anakin for backup.

So far your whole arguments is just a salty refusal to acknowledge facts. You brought up so far exactly 0 evidence to back up your claim, and for my quotes your respone was to menstruate all over the place. Also your ABC logics, and lack of literacy to decipher context is as grandiose as ever.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Cool, good to know Koon stomped Ventress as well then. With a broken arm.

Your failure to grasp simple concepts went from hilarious to pathetic.

Let me phrase it in a way that your kindergarten level intelligence can comprehend (let me know if I use to many big words, I can talk simpler):

Holding back the whole fight as a distraction then going all out and disarming someone in 2 moves and then the opponent running away in defeat = stomp.

Disarming the opponent after an all out fight, yet still being pushed back afterwards = not stomp.

If you still don't get it ask Legend to explain it to you. I'm sure even he can understand this much.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan

Your failure to grasp simple concepts went from hilarious to pathetic.

Let me phrase it in a way that your kindergarten level intelligence can comprehend (let me know if I use to many big words, I can talk simpler):

Holding back the whole fight as a distraction then going all out and disarming someone in 2 moves and then the opponent running away in defeat = stomp.

Disarming the opponent after an all out fight, yet still being pushed back afterwards = not stomp.

If you still don't get it ask Legend to explain it to you. I'm sure even he can understand this much.

Oh dear, I wonder what proof you have Kenobi did so to Ventress then. 🙁

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
mmm

What I actually said: "Fair, though their duels against Dooku certainly suggest otherwise."

Must we make this a game of spot the difference?

He picked up Soresu after TPM, so nah.

Sure things 🙄

Your illiteracy doesn't equate to me lying. Don't be so salty.

So far your whole arguments is just a salty refusal to acknowledge facts. You brought up so far exactly 0 evidence to back up your claim, and for my quotes your respone was to menstruate all over the place. Also your ABC logics, and lack of literacy to decipher context is as grandiose as ever.

Naw, Ventress getting disarmed only proves she got sloppy and left an opening. Whereas in the movie itself she gets caught in a bladelock, and he overpowers her, which proves he's stronger than her. Neither prove Kenobi can or did stomp her. Frankly you've already admitted this in addressing Koon doing the same thing, so may as well concede.

By "pushing back" you mean pressing him in a single bladelock(which he broke free off)?
And lets ignore that koon was injured
Lets ignore that koon fought a better version of ventress
Lets ignore that it wasn't aotc kenobi who beat ventress

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, so what your saying is that the act of disarming an opponent, in and of itself, does not constitute a stomp? Or rather that disarming an opponent in combat, doesn't necessarily mean you can and/or are stomping then?

That's right. I'm surprised you actually comprehended anything I said. Good job.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Oh dear, I wonder what proof you have Kenobi did so to Ventress then. 🙁

Idk, maybe that it took him 2 moves total? That might be it.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Idk, maybe that it took him 2 moves total? That might be it.

Right, and killing someone takes 1 move. So Sidious actually didn't stomp the B-Team, it was a grueling fight.

Are you done being a f-ucking imbecile?

Nope just trying to make you engage your brain. 😂

You say he disarmed her in two moves as if the means something, and yet have failed to explain why. Ventress was far from fresh out of the gate nor in any reasonably better shape than against Koon. While Koon was in fact in a worse condition than Kenobi (who had been holding back reserves) when he disarmed Ventress. There is no relevant difference between the two showings other than those that put Koon at a disadvantage and yet you're attempting to argue as if they are worlds apart.

If you can't see the difference between disarming someone after a prolonged fight and disarming someone straight away with 2 moves from start to finish then idk what to say to you.

Keep being an idiot, it makes no difference to me.

Concession accepted kek, let's do this again sometime. 🙂

Sure, giving Ls to you on Kenobi is an old hobby of mine 🙂