Originally posted by Stoic
I can't see Black Adam beating Supreme, or a Superman type willing to mercilessly kill their opponents. Omni Man did well against Supreme, Not sure if people are of the impression that Black Adam would walk all over Omni Man here, but I can''t see it if that were the case.
Black Adam has consistently held his own against "Superman" level characters. Not sure where you're getting this info. Plus in direct comparison Omni Man (and viltrumites in general) is more suspectible to blunt force damage.
Originally posted by Sin I AMHow so? In a canon fight against a high herald(supreme) omni man was taking his punches just fine. Also, viltrumites have varying degrees of durability. Also, how fast is Adam (I need an average, not his best high end showing), because nolan might have a fair speed advantage.
Black Adam has consistently held his own against "Superman" level characters. Not sure where you're getting this info. Plus in direct comparison Omni Man (and viltrumites in general) is more suspectible to blunt force damage.
Originally posted by deathslash
How so? In a canon fight against a high herald(supreme) omni man was taking his punches just fine. Also, viltrumites have varying degrees of durability. Also, how fast is Adam (I need an average, not his best high end showing), because nolan might have a fair speed advantage.
That's a one off showing. Generally they show alot of cosmetic damage.
Originally posted by Zack M1. How fast is Jay (I swear to god, if you mention running back in time or anything that isn't an average.....)?
Adam is fast enough to catch Jay Garrick. And multiple times, too.
2. How many is "multiple"? Cause if spider-man were to beat firelord twice, both instances would be considered PIS. It needs to have happened three to four times imo.
Originally posted by Sin I AMthat's the artist making it look more dramatic. Kirkman had omni man take the blunt force damage of flying through a planet at ftl speeds and he was still just fine.
That's a one off showing. Generally they show alot of cosmetic damage.
Originally posted by Zack Mmost of his combat feats can be taken from invincible (who was omni-man's exact equal until two issues ago), but his feats (including non combat) include blitzing the entire guardians of the globe roster (one of who was capable of stopping a roberry in Moscow, a super villain in North America, and a cat from falling from a tree all within the timespan of his girlfriend finishing a sentence (she only realized he was gone because he accidentally left his suit on)), invincible managed to carry a man from north America to Antarctica in 26 seconds, blitzing an adult viltrumite (who was faster than mark btw), flying from one solar system to another and entering the fight against the viltrumites in a few minutes, invincible and conquest were also fighting each other at such speeds that they were five minutes ahead of all of earth's satellites, flying from our solar system to another one that was lightyears away in one week , flying fast enough to break through a planet, and he used to regularly take down super villains half way around the world and make it back home before his wife finished a sentence.
Not sure. What speed feats does Omni Man have? Combat wise.
Originally posted by deathslashthat's the artist making it look more dramatic. Kirkman had omni man take the blunt force damage of flying through a planet at ftl speeds and he was still just fine.
Artist depiction is the only thing we have to go on, so your point is moot. It Still doesnt discredit the fact that they all seem far easier to damage than traditional herald levelere.
Originally posted by carver9
No he isn't. Not even close.
Wrong
Originally posted by deathslash
most of his combat feats can be taken from invincible (who was omni-man's exact equal until two issues ago), but his feats (including non combat) include blitzing the entire guardians of the globe roster (one of who was capable of stopping a roberry in Moscow, a super villain in North America, and a cat from falling from a tree all within the timespan of his girlfriend finishing a sentence (she only realized he was because he accidentally left his suit on)), invincible managed to carry a man from north America to Antarctica in 26 seconds, blitzing an adult viltrumite (who was faster than mark btw), flying from one solar system to another and entering the fight against the viltrumites in a few minutes, invincible and conquest were also fighting each other at such speeds that they were five minutes ahead of all of earth's satellites, flying from our solar system to another one that was [B]lightyears away in one week , flying fast enough to break through a planet, and he used to regularly take down super villains half way around the world and make it back home before his wife finished a sentence. [/B]
Alotta this is cheese feats or youre using feats for another character as if they were his. You havent proven anything
Originally posted by Sin I AMit's not because of similar powersets. We know for a fact that omni-man was far more powerful and much faster than mark in their first fight. When they see each other again, mark cheapshots him and it still doesn't cause him to bleed (he just states that mark has gotten stronger). When the three viltrumites show up to take Nolan to jail, he escapes and catches up to the viltrumite that was just about to catch mark (mark had a massive head start at this point and this once again shows how much faster he is). During the viltrumite war, omni-man had to pull mark in order for him to keep up . So basically, in the beginning of invincible, mark is capable of flying halfway around the world in just about 30 seconds and Nolan is far faster than him (since he managed to finish a fight and catch up to mark), mark gets much faster and stronger (to the point where he can kill conquest, casually lift 400 tons, and tank a planet blowing up behind him and Nolan is still faster than him, and after the viltrumite war, their stats are basically a wash. I'm not assigning Nolan feats based off of mark; rather I'm using mark's speed and strength and Nolan's obvious superiority in those department to paint a clear picture of how fast and strong he is.
Supreme is fine. It gives us a gauge...shows that he can hang with elites. Whats not cool is saying because Invincible did this Omni Man can do that. We dont arbitrarily assign feats due to similar powersets. Otherwise Bill would be equal to Thor/Firestorm equal to Surfer etc...
Originally posted by deathslash
most of his combat feats can be taken from invincible (who was omni-man's exact equal until two issues ago), but his feats (including non combat) include blitzing the entire guardians of the globe roster (one of who was capable of stopping a roberry in Moscow, a super villain in North America, and a cat from falling from a tree all within the timespan of his girlfriend finishing a sentence (she only realized he was gone because he accidentally left his suit on)), invincible managed to carry a man from north America to Antarctica in 26 seconds, blitzing an adult viltrumite (who was faster than mark btw), flying from one solar system to another and entering the fight against the viltrumites in a few minutes, invincible and conquest were also fighting each other at such speeds that they were five minutes ahead of all of earth's satellites, flying from our solar system to another one that was [B]lightyears away in one week , flying fast enough to break through a planet, and he used to regularly take down super villains half way around the world and make it back home before his wife finished a sentence. [/B]
Does Omni-Man have battle feats close to Black Adam? Like fighting teams as powerful as JSA?
Originally posted by Zack MNot really. He did casually murdered the entire guardians of the globe roster, but that could be considered a sneak attack and most of his other fights just involve fighting one or more viltrumites that are roughly equal to him.
Does Omni-Man have battle feats close to Black Adam? Like fighting teams as powerful as JSA?