Nate Grey/God Cable/Exodus vs Superman/Wonder Woman/Hal

Originally posted by StyleTime
Trans level is stretching it a bit. Iceman didn't do anything but grow big and punch him, and generally sucks in comics anyway.

Rachel was the most significant factor, as they would have had their powers shut off from the get go otherwise. Not enough for a trans feat though. Too many non-factors here.

In forum mode, Bobby and Rachel might actually take him out tbh.

He was taking on the xmen while having a mind battle against Rachel with her being immobile and unable to do anything but focus on one task. What does this tell us, Exodus can stomp her. He wasn't even fully going at her and he was holding his own while stomping the Xmen. No, she can't beat him.

Same with Bobby. He was said to be useless against Exodus. We can't ignore this and think that showings outside of what happened in the battle is all that counts.

The first paragraph really has nothing to do with what I said, as I didn't say she could beat him. I said she was the most significant factor.

Bobby really didn't try anything there, which is why I said forum mode-Iceman might accomplish something with Rachel backing him.

Still not a trans-level feat though.

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Top tier showing to me (hell, trans tier imo).

X_men legacy, I remember this. Definitely a good showing for him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's not impressive. And he's actually depicted as weaker now

But, Exodus always loses to the main mutant leaders. He's lost to Xavier, Apoc, was killed by Holocaust insecret wars, etc. So, I'm not surprised he lost to a depowered Mags (Unless he got his full power back)

Exodus was barely trying against Magnus come on

He spent most of the fight trying to convince him,and kept on worshipping him. He didn't even use telepathy

In that same issue ,his mere to blocks in fodders gave psylocke a hard time

He was also controlling dozens of mutants while fighting too

This guy is easily top tier

He lost to Xavier In a pure to fight,in which the only to punches he threw were merely placing Xavier in a loop, iirc he wanted to convince him to lead the Acolytes,and he didn't use his TK on combination,or his other powers,or even his psychic vampire abilities

Then god cable and shaman?

This is a murder stomp

Originally posted by Classic NES
But, Exodus always loses to the main mutant leaders. He's lost to Xavier, Apoc, was killed by Holocaust insecret wars, etc. So, I'm not surprised he lost to a depowered Mags (Unless he got his full power back)

He gets highballed. Beating the X-Men like beating the fan four is a non feat.

Exodus has stated before it's damn near impossible for him to effect Eric mentally

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He gets highballed. Beating the X-Men like beating the fan four is a non feat.

Exodus has stated before it's damn near impossible for him to effect Eric mentally

Compared to other high level psi users: Xavier, Nate, Legion, and Phoenix. He's much weaker when it comes to TP. His claim to fame is the vast amount of powers who's limit is unknown.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Compared to other high level psi users: Xavier, Nate, Legion, and Phoenix. He's much weaker when it comes to TP. His claim to fame is the vast amount of powers who's limit is unknown.

It's pointless debating with her about this. Trust me, her mind is made up.

Originally posted by carver9
It's pointless debating with her about this. Trust me, her mind is made up.

Fair enough, I give it to team psi.

I don't rate Exodus as highly as some, so tbh I wouldn't call him top tier. If someone else does, cool.

The problem here is that you're using telepathy against three people who have definitive feats of resisting it, from people on or above the level these guys operate at. Does that mean team 2 wins? Not necessarily, but one big TP pulse isn't going to end this fight, or even prove decisive imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't rate Exodus as highly as some, so tbh I wouldn't call him top tier. If someone else does, cool.

The problem here is that you're using telepathy against three people who have definitive feats of resisting it, from people on or above the level these guys operate at. Does that mean team 2 wins? Not necessarily, but one big TP pulse isn't going to end this fight, or even prove decisive imo.

The problem is even exodus has shown to probe people who are TP resistant. Furthermore, someone like Nate has beaten people with great TP which is more impressive than beating someone who is simply resistant. You're right, it's not gonna oneshot them but t1 has so many more options.

Originally posted by Classic NES
The problem is even exodus has shown to probe people who are TP resistant. Furthermore, someone like Nate has beaten people with great TP which is more impressive than beating someone who is simply resistant. You're right, it's not gonna oneshot them but t1 has so many more options.

You can argue all day for Exodus being able to telepathically effect the team. The issue is that it would take all day, because Superman alone has telepathic resistance feats coming out of his ears.

One thing I would mention though, that even if you believed Exodus could do it (which is fine), team 2 is far more likely to coordinate their attacks than team 1. These guys aren't exactly known for getting along.

Originally posted by Classic NES
His claim to fame is the vast amount of powers who's limit is unknown.

Hyperbole. Im not saying he's not powerful. I just dont attribute a no limit fallacy to characters who havent done the deeds suggested.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't rate Exodus as highly as some, so tbh I wouldn't call him top tier. If someone else does, cool.

The problem here is that you're using telepathy against three people who have definitive feats of resisting it, from people on or above the level these guys operate at. Does that mean team 2 wins? Not necessarily, but one big TP pulse isn't going to end this fight, or even prove decisive imo.

All of these three have shown themselves capable of harming xavier though.

Team 2 has only resisted mindcontrol anyways.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You can argue all day for Exodus being able to telepathically effect the team. The issue is that it would take all day, because Superman alone has telepathic resistance feats coming out of his ears.

One thing I would mention though, that even if you believed Exodus could do it (which is fine), team 2 is far more likely to coordinate their attacks than team 1. These guys aren't exactly known for getting along.

He's not alone though. So, I don't see why it would take all day. Nate is here and his TP is even better. Sure, post em and I can demonstrate Nate and Exodus going against people with TP and faring well. Because in all honesty using TP to resist TP is more effective than just passive TP resistance. Exodus and Nate have dealt with both anyway.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hyperbole. Im not saying he's not powerful. I just dont attribute a no limit fallacy to characters who havent done the deeds suggested.

I'm suggesting that he might be more powerful potentially, not that he has no limits though.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He gets highballed. Beating the X-Men like beating the fan four is a non feat.

Exodus has stated before it's damn near impossible for him to effect Eric mentally

The basis of his powers is 'beyond psionic' :

He's fought her on at least two occasions, she's never beaten him and on one occasion she had the Avengers helping her and still he held his own. Insane Sersi two piece Immortal Hercules (something Thor, Namor, Hulk, etc.. have never done), caused a tsunami that wiped out the Brooklyn Bridge, etc..

Originally posted by krisblaze
All of these three have shown themselves capable of harming xavier though.

Team 2 has only resisted mindcontrol anyways.

I'm not doubting their abilities. Just that their abilities will let them simply overpower the other team.

Originally posted by Classic NES
He's not alone though. So, I don't see why it would take all day. Nate is here and his TP is even better. Sure, post em and I can demonstrate Nate and Exodus going against people with TP and faring well. Because in all honesty using TP to resist TP is more effective than just passive TP resistance. Exodus and Nate have dealt with both anyway.

I'm suggesting that he might be more powerful potentially, not that he has no limits though.

I never said that actively using TP wasn't stronger than otherwise; my argument is simply that having "resistance" isn't a crutch. They've resisted plenty over the years, from telepaths that could be argued to be on the same level as people like Nate and such.

Originally posted by -Pr-

I never said that actively using TP wasn't stronger than otherwise; my argument is simply that having "resistance" isn't a crutch. They've resisted plenty over the years, from telepaths that could be argued to be on the same level as people like Nate and such. [/B]

Even if that's the case there are three people on that level in this fight in a team battle. One common tactic in X-men is to attack two fronts: In the mental plane and in the physical. So, it's even harder to resist because anyone of these guys can do the aforementioned. Exodus has done it before, Shaman Nate can easily do it. More than just TP, Team 1 has too many options and questionable if they can successful resist the just the TP of one of these guys. Add 2 more and I don't see what Team 2 can do.

Originally posted by Classic NES

I'm suggesting that he might be more powerful potentially, not that he has no limits though.

Which means what exactly? U previously stated (or atleast it appeared so to me) that you based you opinion on who won by hyperbole. Having potential and showing ability are two separate issues.

Originally posted by zopzop
The writer was full of sh|t then, here he is going toe to toe with Insane Sersi :

The basis of his powers is 'beyond psionic' :

He's fought her on at least two occasions, she's never beaten him and on one occasion she had the Avengers helping her and still he held his own. Insane Sersi two piece Immortal Hercules (something Thor, Namor, Hulk, etc.. have never done), caused a tsunami that wiped out the Brooklyn Bridge, etc..

U keep mentioning this like two skirmishes against Sersi is the deciding factor in THIS fight. He did ok (bloodties aside) he didnt ragdoll her though. Cant see y youd bring up Sersis feats when discussing Exodus. Abc logic fail who cares if she beat up Herc. Not sure if serious

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Which means what exactly? U previously stated (or atleast it appeared so to me) that you based you opinion on who won by hyperbole. Having potential and showing ability are two separate issues.

I never said that team 1 wins because Exodus has unlimited power. I have no idea what you're talking about here.