Can the Ones resist Nihilus' drain?

1. I didn't say Kreia was in his presence. I don't know how she knows - either its through her Senses in some form or it's simply Avellone speaking through her as he does throughout the game.

Fair enough on Nihilus being more powerful than the Exile suspected, but power is not quite the same as mastery, which we are discussing.

2. It's admirable that you're trying to connect game mechanics with the lore, but it's been stated that game mechanics aren't canon unless they're actual story elements, which none of these are.

3. I'm not talking about the Mandalorian Wars; I'm talking about the Jedi Civil War. Your interpretation is in fact supported by TCSWE, which claims that Katarr was a congregation of the most powerful Jedi. However, TCSWE has been wrong about KotOR II before and this appears to be one of its moments (given that the likes of Vrook, Kavar etc. didn't go, and they're known to be some of the most powerful Jedi of their time).

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. I didn't say Kreia was in his presence. I don't know how she knows - either its through her Senses in some form or it's simply Avellone speaking through her as he does throughout the game.

That's interesting. You think she knows, but you don't know how, and you're willing to put forth theories with no immediate evidence. I seriously don't mean that to sound mocking or insulting, that's just how I'm perceiving it on a no BS level.

But really, there's zero evidence that she kept up with Nihilus outside of your idea that she "simply knows". Not even the one Force Bonded to him knows where he's at unless he calls her, and yet you are inferring Kreia either does, or is able to sense him even when Visas can't (again, a person Force Bonded to him)?

Fair enough on Nihilus being more powerful than the Exile suspected, but power is not quite the same as mastery, which we are discussing.

It actually goes to the idea that Kreia informs you of Nihilus' power level that she is aware of, and yet the Exile finds it is so much greater than that.

Meetra's Realization of his true Power level > Kreia's assumption of it

Being that I stated she hasn't been around him for a while and has his power level low-balled, this is evidence of the fact that she is wrong about what she knows of him. He's grown since her exile, and this is proof of that (aside from the Katarr proof of growth).

2. It's admirable that you're trying to connect game mechanics with the lore, but it's been stated that game mechanics aren't canon unless they're actual story elements, which none of these are.

You're getting the purpose mixed up. I'm aware game Mechanics are written according to game flow which is why I didn't add in the 8 turn cooldown. I'm pointing to writer's intent which establishes interpretation of power. The writers of that ability didn't just pull those four aspects out of their backsides, no rather, they interpreted Nihilus' lore in KOTOR 2 and expressed that in this game, in this ability.

For the longest people have debated "is it avoidable", "is it instant death", and here comes an officially licensed interpretation of his ability and it matches what is expressed in game by Kreia and other things. I'm unsure as to why you're going to look the official interpretation of his ability as it is translated to that game, and totally bypass it as a good source of understanding on the subject.

3. I'm not talking about the Mandalorian Wars; I'm talking about the Jedi Civil War. Your interpretation is in fact supported by TCSWE, which claims that Katarr was a congregation of the most powerful Jedi. However, TCSWE has been wrong about KotOR II before and this appears to be one of its moments (given that the likes of Vrook, Kavar etc. didn't go, and they're known to be some of the most powerful Jedi of their time).

I'm aware that it has its moments and issues, especially when in one bio it gives three different ways the "historians" recorded the defeat of Nihilus. The specifics of a few Jedi not being there doesn't exclude the generalized statement from being true though.

1. I don't think she knows - I know she knows, based on things she speaks of that happen after or relate to events after Malachor. However, I can offer little by means of explanations as to how she knows them.

2. His power is much higher than you think it is, but that's not the same as mastery. Whether or not he's at the level where he can consume anything that lives remains to be seen.

3. The fact that they interpreted it in that manner doesn't render it canon, because, again, game mechanics that do not constitute story elements are simply not canon. That's simply paying homage to his Drain from KotOR II, nothing more. I don't consider it valid evidence.

And no, the technique in of itself is explicitly indicated by KotOR II to not be instant-death. It's just the measure of disparity between the caster and victim that causes such a drastic stompage, if you will.

Suppose they nerf something in a later patch and one of those happens to be affected. What will you think of it, then?

4. Fair enough.

@Miko Hacksaw

You have decent intellect and an interesting perspective of things. Your views are a departure from the typical comments that a reader expects to find in various threads these days. Your contribution is appreciated. 👆

If you have time, I request you to explore the character of Valkorion. I would like to see your assessment of him at some point. 🙂

Leave him alone.

A perfectly intelligent young man... why ruin him by introducing him to Valkorion?

Spoiler:
I have a weird feeling in mah gut that Miko is actually ZiggySh!tdust, though

@Myth - Would be a shame if he was. 🙂

Galaxy of Heroes is non-canon to both continuities, not valid evidence at all lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
@Myth - Would be a shame if he was. 🙂

Yes, yes it would. 🙂

The very existence of this thread triggers DMB.

@Miko The only thing you need to know about Valkorions is that he's a Sub-Plagueis fagg 👆

Am I the only one who misses Ziggy? I guess it's because we are similar in a way: we both have the peculiar ability to piss off a lot of people with our opinions and arguments. I annoy the TOR brigade and he has a similar effect on PT people.

Ziggy was a racist fuggot who spammed the Battle Bar with his alt-right nonsense, so naw. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Galaxy of Heroes is non-canon to both continuities, not valid evidence at all lol.

Fun though! Recently got it.

Originally posted by Selenial
It'd effect them, yeh, but they'd have the durability and force pool to literally crush him out of existence before he's even close to bringing them down.

Originally posted by MythLord
A perfectly intelligent young man... why ruin him by introducing him to Valkorion?

Spoiler:
I have a weird feeling in mah gut that Miko is actually ZiggySh!tdust, though

Nah, I got pulled over to KMC/Comic Vine cause people kept referencing it in some Facebook Star Wars groups. This is my name both here, and on Facebook if you wanna look me up. 🙂

Its been a looooooong time since I've been in this forum type setting. (with BB Code and stuff) so excuse the current newbified editing/formatting of my posts and responses.

You have decent intellect and an interesting perspective of things. Your views are a departure from the typical comments that a reader expects to find in various threads these days. Your contribution is appreciated. thumb up

Thanks S_W_LeGenD 🙂

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. I don't think she knows - I know she knows, based on things she speaks of that happen after or relate to events after Malachor.

Such as (in regard to him)?

2. His power is much higher than you think it is, but that's not the same as mastery. Whether or not he's at the level where he can consume anything that lives remains to be seen.

He seems to fit it given:

No. For the pinnacle of this teaching is self-destructive, for its hunger keeps building and building until it has devoured everything, including the student.
-Kotor 2, Kreia

Of course, he escaped the finality of the pinnacle as recorded:

However, as Nihilus greedily consumes entire planets' life energy, the dark side macerates him even faster. But no matter. Nothing matters except his hunger. Before it devours him totally, Nihilus uses its power to displace his persona into his robes and armor. As his useless body disintegrates, he becomes living primitive intention..."
-Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Nihilus only escaped that second part of her statement because he transferred his body into his armor and robes. And it can be stated that your requirement of "able to devour anything" per: "They can use it to consume other Force Sensitives - and at the highest pinnacle of power, use it to consume anything that lives. -Kreia" is met with this:

...at last, the whole of the galaxy becomes food - for Nihilus has become the hunger.
-Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Everything (living) in the galaxy has become food to him.

Further:

It is the way of all life that serves him... in his presence, all life dies.
-KOTOR 2

Further:

Everything exists... to feed his will. I came here, to this dead ship... and now he will not permit me to leave.
-KOTOR 2

Further:

You... you are the darkness in which all life dies, milord. All life... exists to feed your power, and my life... my life is yours.
-KOTOR 2

Further:

Now the planet is no more. Master Zhar... Master Dorak... and many more perished there, and we do not know why or how. But all life on the planet ceased to exist.
-KOTOR 2

Further:

The planet was not destroyed, it remains... it orbits, dead in space, but nothing lives on its surface. It echoes, but there is no one left to hear it...

...I was the only living thing remaining on the planet of Katarr... and my life, my agony, was a flicker in the darkness that was the planet. All that I had been connected to had been severed.
-KOTOR 2

I'm not sure why you believe he cannot consume any living thing, of all types, with these references especially a first hand witness to a planet draining event.

3. The fact that they interpreted it in that manner doesn't render it canon, because, again, game mechanics that do not constitute story elements are simply not canon. That's simply paying homage to his Drain from KotOR II, nothing more. I don't consider it valid evidence.

The skill is based off story elements. They reviewed the story, made a skill to match their interpretation. It doesn't match yours I understand, but that doesn't mean their official interpretation is incorrect. As we well know, official interpretation and perspective trumps the fan view.

And no, the technique in of itself is explicitly indicated by KotOR II to not be instant-death. It's just the measure of disparity between the caster and victim that causes such a drastic stompage, if you will.

That's incorrect, as it is never stated it is a damage (or effect) over time ability. There's no example of it normally "killing someone over an extended period of time of use".

Suppose they nerf something in a later patch and one of those happens to be affected. What will you think of it, then?

I'm already used to the past few years of Nihilus trying to be nerfed because people think he's unfairly powerful. People who use him love him, and those who don't cry nerf through a symphony of tears. A change would only reflect player dissatisfaction, not the original intent of the ability.

Galaxy of Heroes is a non-canon mobile app developed by EA, again, there is nothing official about it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Galaxy of Heroes is a non-canon mobile app developed by EA, again, there is nothing official about it.

Its an officially licensed Disney/Lucasfilm product.

Which as non-canon is nothing official at all to continuity, yeah. It's completely unusable as proof.

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