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As you know, Tenebrous is one of the latter members of the Banite line. Each Banite Sith, growing stronger with every generation, would get all the feats of the previous generations in greater magnitude. Tenebrous is no exception to this.
That's now how it always works, like, at all.
At times, Force sensitives are blatantly better at some Force abilities than others, no matter that power gap. It's how Mara Jade was touted as sporting superior Force senses to Luke, despite the latter being significantly more powerful; how Corran Horn's usage of tutaminis and illusion abilities surpasses nearly everyone in the NJO, despite a number of people being his superior; it's how some guys can have all the knowledge, understanding, mastery and strength in the Force, if not more, than the next inferior being, but still be unable to utilize certain abilities [E.I. Darth Bane and Darth Plagueis having no talent for Sith Sorcery]. If what you're saying is true, Bane, for example, shouldn't have had any trouble mastering sorcery, or Luke senses should be far above Mara's own - but as text indicate, that simply isn't the case.
So, while I generally agree Tenebrous should be capable of replicating the basic Force abilities of his predecessors plus some, mainly telekinetic prowess and the like, I wouldn't say the more esoteric powers that aren't common to Jedi and Sith [ Force Phantoms for example] shouldn't fall in this niche, thus, I don't think you can properly scale off of it.
Either with scaling, Tenebrous' implied showings are inferior.
I’m not seeing how Vitiate having “supremely powerful” accolades and several unquantifiable power increases is going to prove his superiority to Darth Tenebrous.
Dunno how it's a hard concept to grasp - my point is, Tenebrous hasn’t shown or scaled to showing power surpassing someone who was:
- an unparalleled prodigy with feats of domination other powerful Sith Lords [Dramath, in particular, was powerful enough to rule over an entire planet] before hitting puberty.
- unmatched knowledge in the Force [executing the most complex ritual the galaxy has ever seen].
- afterwards consumed 8,000 Sith Lords and the Force itself from an entire planet flourishing with life, in which was stated to be the largest nexi the galaxy had ever known [ an act that Meetra stated would make him more powerful than she can imagine, even more so than the planet devastator/eater Darth Nihilus),
The ritual had obviously destroyed Nathema, snuffing out all life on the world. Lord Vitiate had offered his people hope and instead had brought them a fate worse than death—utter eradication of life, existence, and even the Force.Meetra was no expert on dark side sorcery, but it was safe to assume Vitiate not only survived the ritual but emerged more powerful than ever. And with the destruction of everyone on Nathema—including his research team—he alone would have known the location of Dromund Kaas.
The plan was both horrifying and brilliant. In addition to becoming more powerful than Meetra could imagine.[/QUOTE]
Excerpt taken from Revan
Thus far, nothing you posted indicate he has superior Force power to draw from. 'Brous has no raw power feats or accolades to compare, hence, he is inferior.
Darth Tenebrous is powerful enough to alter a planet’s climate with his mere presence, while only being there for a short while.
Umm, I'm sorry, this proves what exactly?
Revan, Vitiate's inferior, was causing massive disturbances in the Force via his presence alone, that could be sensed nowhere and everywhere simultaneously.
There's something in the Force that I've never felt before. It exists nowhere and everywhere at once. Writhing, growing. I think I sense this "growth" because I'm tied to it somehow, maybe by association to Darth Arkous. I think… I think the Empire's in terrible danger.
―Lana Beniko (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
The Force moves through the Emperor's Hand in a manner that few others experience. For us, the Force is an intricate tapestry woven into our very essence. That tapestry has become flawed. I speak of a persistent disturbance. A cyst, dense and tangled and unpleasant. It began small and nearly imperceptible but has been growing ever larger... the source of this basal disturbance is of the gravest concern to us...
―The Emperor's Hand (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
The Force roils and convulses like never before. I reached out to study its peculiar activity, and in turn, it showed me what is to come. You stand on a moon, defiantly, before one who is not one. You do not stand alone, but you fail all the same.
―Spindrall (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
Revan was continuously, and passively, affecting the very "tapestry" of Force, and causing it to roil and convulse like "never before". Sure he [Plagueis], may have affected a single world physically, but Revan's power was enough to disturb the very flow of the cosmological omnipresent energy field itself, across the - by, quite simply, existing.
Darth Tenebrous is powerful enough to penetrate a Force bubble generated by the entire Jedi Order with his power. In other words, he is able to reduce the potency of a galaxy-wide light side nexus with his power
One problem: we have absolutely no idea how Tenebrous' master went about penetrating or shrinking the Force bubble, how long it took, or the technique/preparation used It was done under unspecified circumstances and literally no timetable was given.
When you find a way to reconcile the above, with logic that doesn't amount to "I think", or something adjacent to that, then we can try to figure just how much a showing like the above can help in a one-on-one situation, or ho much raw power it involves.
I haven’t seen Vitiate alter a planet’s climate without rituals
Revan affecting the Force on a galactic scale with his presence alone > changing the climate of a single planet. Not that it is actually stated he changed the climate of the planet anyway, especially when he was in the presence of many others throughout the novel and no other drastic change was ever stated.
nor have I seen him use and influence the Force on a galactic scale without rituals.
Except,
- The Force deemed Vitiate a threat big enough to the upset the balance of the Force, that it concocted a prophesied champion of the light, hundreds of years down the line, to stop his nefarious reign - as implied/stated in the Revan novel [by both Revan and Scrouge].
As stated in the book, the balance of the dark and light side of the Force constantly shifted:
The Force was omnipresent. It radiated stronger in certain places and at certain times, and the balance of the dark side and the light constantly shifted.
---Excerpt from Old Republic - Revan
And it was later stated by Revan, the Force strives for balance, and a champion of light with rise one day to oppose The Emperor, who is an agent of darkness and destruction:
The Force always strives for balance. The Emperor is an agent of darkness and destruction. It is inevitable that a champion of the light will one day rise to oppose him.
---Excerpt from Old Republic - Revan
The Force wouldn't spawn the HoT, a prophesied champion of light to destroy Vitiate if it's balance wasn't in danger, or tipped in the dark sides favor.
We can adhere to others believe that it is just Revan opinion, but I don't see a reason to - Revan was right about the champion rising to kill Vitiate, as confirmed by Scourge:
In that time, much could happen. Revan had spoken of another champion who would rise; Scourge had seen that champion in his final vision. Blessed with eternal life, Scourge would serve faithfully at the Emperor’s side, biding his time as he waited for that champion to emerge from the mists of time.While serving, he would study the Emperor. He would learn everything about him. He would come to understand his strengths and weaknesses so that when the time came, he could help Revan’s prophesied champion destroy the Emperor once and for all.
---Excerpt from Old Republic - Revan
-- Image from The Old Republic.
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Revan was correct about a champion rising and ending Vitiates reign, hence his "death' on Dramond Kaas and the stoppage of his galaxy obliterating ritual - so, I see no reason for him to be wrong on the balance bit when the entire reason he predicted a champion, is because Vitiate is such a potent agent of darkness.
- Vitiate inferior, Revan, was causing a galactic wide disturbance that was unlike anything ever felt before, that was “everywhere and nowhere” at once. Revan did this by merely existing, and not actively trying to affect it, by meditating or concentrating his energies on it in any intentional way.
So if Vitiate, the superior of Revan, that passive Force disrupter, and - an god-like avatar of the dark side with unfathomable power [per, The Old Republic Encyclopedia] that, could hardly be contained in his physical vessel, [per Revan] who swallowed the very presence of the Force on a planetary scale actually tried to burst a bubble, I think he could. 👆
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