Daredevil (Netflix) vs Green arrow (CW)

Originally posted by Surtur
Did you just as how a billionaire with access to high end tech has better gear than DareDevil? The dude has..a nice stick to beat you with, and a cool suit. That's about the extent of it.

Oliver carries all kinds of wacky shit on him. Matt..again, beats you with a stick.

Originally posted by Classic NES
It's called transferable skills. He uses explosives in his arsenal for specific arrow heads and it also helps him fight against them. He has various trick arrows which he can use to own matt. How's his report card better? What has he done to place him above Oliver?

Who has Matt fought on the league of Damian Darhk and Rha's? Or Slade? FYI, Oliver has fought all the aforementioned tougher enemies t and won too. Matt has no advantage here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Arrow wins, but DD has prettier looking fights.

yeah Arrow is on its 6th season with 23 episodes a season. DD had only 2 seasons with 13 episodes a season. So Arrow has many more feats, if you take into the cross overs and such, Arrow has fought a good amount of metas and others with powers. DD only has only fought Nobu who would fall into that category. Personally I wish Netflix did all super hero shows as the CW includes too much high school type drama/love triangles and plot driven fighting scenes.

unarmed dd would take him but it would be close. ollie is pretty sharp though (no pun intended...) and would likely be able to take matt out. has he used a sonic arrow yet? i'm thinking ollie would deduce that matt was blind and find a way to take advantage by f'ing with matt's senses somehow. no one is sweeping this, but i'd give ollie a slight majority in general.

Originally posted by deathslash

you mean the very same ra's that handed him his own ass and the very same deathstroke that handed him his own ass? It's funny that Ollie winning his fights through the use of skill, a fairly large amount of teammates to back him up, and a massive amount of prep is more impressive than daredevil beating his opponents (temigun, kingpin, the punisher) through the use of skill alone.

What are you talking about? He beat most of the guys I listed in one on one duels. Minus Slade where he needed a distraction from felicity. Hell, he purposely ostracized his team just to take down rhas he never needed help.

You just made a point about Matt beating tougher opponents. That was why I bought up people who initially beat Oliver before he came back and owned them . Nobody Matt has fought is own the people I listed league. Matt gets creamed.

Tbh, despite the comparative brutality of Matt's fight, Ollie sh*ts all over him in overall feats. Someone mentioned earlier the quality of the competition and I'd have to agree. Ranged, H2H, etc. shouldn't matter.

He's also gone up against - and beaten - metahumans. I know everyone in Marvel to some extent is beyond human, but it's much more explicit to this point in the CW-verse. He's got a BIG head start in terms of episode count, though. So really, we're not comparing apples to apples. Arrow's first 20 episodes or so are very different than the totality of the show.

It's a close fight though, of course. And as with many close threads, the comments I disagree with most are those that think it's a stomp one way or another.

Originally posted by leonidas
unarmed dd would take him but it would be close. ollie is pretty sharp though (no pun intended...) and would likely be able to take matt out. has he used a sonic arrow yet? i'm thinking ollie would deduce that matt was blind and find a way to take advantage by f'ing with matt's senses somehow. no one is sweeping this, but i'd give ollie a slight majority in general.

I'm not sure I would agree. How would Ollie deduce that Matt is blind? Why would he even think that? That's the whole point of DD - his other senses are so sharp that no one would ever suspect he is blind.

I do agree that IF Ollie had a sonic arrow and IF he knew Matt relied on his ears he could disorient him - but those are two pretty big ifs.

I'm putting my money on Matt. He's been trained since he was a boy by one of the greatest martial artists in the Marvel universe, while Ollie spent his time being a spoilt little rich boy. Matt is known for his ability to dodge bullets and arrows, and Ollie does not have an inexhaustible arsenal.

Although it should be a good fight, I would give Matt the majority. At night, I'd say it's pretty close to a sure win for him.

Matt's damage soak is already pretty epic. And he did beat a pretty clear superhuman in Nobu.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Matt's damage soak is already pretty epic. And he did beat a pretty clear superhuman in Nobu.

Nobu was not a superhuman lol. He just came bac from the dead, there's nothing Superhuman about him.

Watch their second fight again. Matt was getting thrown across the room by Nobu's punches and kicks. It wouldn't be necessary to show those effects if he wasn't atleast peak human(Cap's weight class)

Originally posted by Classic NES
Nobu was not a superhuman lol. He just came bac from the dead, there's nothing Superhuman about him.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Watch their second fight again. Matt was getting thrown across the room by Nobu's punches and kicks. It wouldn't be necessary to show those effects if he wasn't atleast peak human(Cap's weight class)

It's been a while. I will.

Originally posted by Inedian
If it's h2h, Daredevil easily.

Just like against Castle?

Originally posted by Digi
Tbh, despite the comparative brutality of Matt's fight, Ollie sh*ts all over him in overall feats. Someone mentioned earlier the quality of the competition and I'd have to agree. Ranged, H2H, etc. shouldn't matter.

He's also gone up against - and beaten - metahumans. I know everyone in Marvel to some extent is beyond human, but it's much more explicit to this point in the CW-verse. He's got a BIG head start in terms of episode count, though. So really, we're not comparing apples to apples. Arrow's first 20 episodes or so are very different than the totality of the show.

It's a close fight though, of course. And as with many close threads, the comments I disagree with most are those that think it's a stomp one way or another.

Agreed. With your reasoning and choice. Anyone who calls this a stomp needs his head examined.

Ollie wins, with ease.

Originally posted by cdtm
Anyone who calls this a stomp needs his head examined.

Ollie wins, with ease.

doh

Originally posted by Dreampanther
doh

You have an argument or did you facepalm it out your head? 😆

Originally posted by Classic NES
You have an argument or did you facepalm it out your head? 😆

TFW you have to try and explain the obvious to somebody.

Originally posted by cdtm
Just like against Castle?

Castle also wins.

Arrow.

DD. like everyone said IMO DD has had more and better training and better damage soak and IMO a better fighter. I do not think that Arrow could keep up with DD. A lot of fights Arrow doesn't just shoot people he almost always gets into a H2H with someone (kinda lame but he just about ALWAYS H2H in show). I think that DD would win the H2H and there wouldnt be the later chance.

Originally posted by staxamillion
DD. like everyone said IMO DD has had more and better training

Everyone didn't state that, I certainly do not agree with those statements. Ollie clearly had more training and a better variety as shown by the following:

He was trained on the island by Yao, Shado, and Deathstroke. In Hong Kong he was trained by Maseo Yamashiro, Katana's husband while working for Amanda Waller. In Nanda Parbat he received training from the League of Assassins and Ra's Al Ghul. In Russia he received even more training from the Bratva and later Talia Al Ghul.

Originally posted by staxamillion
and better damage soak and IMO a better fighter. I do not think that Arrow could keep up with DD.

Arrow simply has more feats here against more enhanced competition. Ollie has taken hits and still won against soldiers on Mirakuru, in which multiple bullets shots were needed to even slow them down. Including defeating Arsenal when he was on that stuff and Deathstroke. Also beat legit superhumans like Brick who tanked headshots at close range.

DD and Elektra at times had to struggle against Hand ninjas and had to be saved by Stick. Also one young looking ninja was able to shoot DD with an arrow and fight him evenly for a while, even after Elektra tried to assist DD. And Punisher was absolutely a match for DD in h2h, as they had a couple of stalemates. So I really don't get that argument that Arrow couldn't keep up, when he has performed better against better.

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Originally posted by staxamillion
A lot of fights Arrow doesn't just shoot people he almost always gets into a H2H with someone (kinda lame but he just about ALWAYS H2H in show). I think that DD would win the H2H and there wouldnt be the later chance.

That's contradicts your own point of view. So if most of Arrow's fights go h2h, that means he has much more experience and increased skill in h2h against DD who also fight mostly h2h. Therefore, DD doesn't have an advantage in feats in h2h combat.