Daredevil (Netflix) vs Green arrow (CW)

Originally posted by Supermutant
Everyone didn't state that, I certainly do not agree with those statements. Ollie clearly had more training and a better variety as shown by the following:

He was trained on the island by Yao, Shado, and Deathstroke. In Hong Kong he was trained by Maseo Yamashiro, Katana's husband while working for Amanda Waller. In Nanda Parbat he received training from the League of Assassins and Ra's Al Ghul. In Russia he received even more training from the Bratva and later Talia Al Ghul.

Arrow simply has more feats here against more enhanced competition. Ollie has taken hits and still won against soldiers on Mirakuru, in which multiple bullets shots were needed to even slow them down. Including defeating Arsenal when he was on that stuff and Deathstroke. Also beat legit superhumans like Brick who tanked headshots at close range.

DD and Elektra at times had to struggle against Hand ninjas and had to be saved by Stick. Also one young looking ninja was able to shoot DD with an arrow and fight him evenly for a while, even after Elektra tried to assist DD. And Punisher was absolutely a match for DD in h2h, as they had a couple of stalemates. So I really don't get that argument that Arrow couldn't keep up, when he has performed better against better.

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That's contradicts your own point of view. So if most of Arrow's fights go h2h, that means he has much more experience and increased skill in h2h against DD who also fight mostly h2h. Therefore, DD doesn't have an advantage in feats in h2h combat.

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Couldn't have said it better.

i was referring to those that think that DD would win. Arrow hasn't had as much or as consistent training as DD. he couldn't have had that much time with each 'sensei' so IMO DD has the training advantage.

And Arrow struggled with a guy with brass knucks...

it doesn't contradict because he almost always gets into H2H and then has to use an arrow to finish or get away.

i don't see why DD wouldn't be able to close the gap between the two and remove the long range threat. if Ollie fights the way he does on Arrow and Matt fights the way he does on DD i'll give it to DD.

Originally posted by staxamillion
i was referring to those that think that DD would win. Arrow hasn't had as much or as consistent training as DD. he couldn't have had that much time with each 'sensei' so IMO DD has the training advantage.

And Arrow struggled with a guy with brass knucks...

it doesn't contradict because he almost always gets into H2H and then has to use an arrow to finish or get away.

i don't see why DD wouldn't be able to close the gap between the two and remove the long range threat. if Ollie fights the way he does on Arrow and Matt fights the way he does on DD i'll give it to DD.

What "Guy with brass knuckles"?

Bronze Tiger. Or maybe he's referring to Danny Brick.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bronze Tiger. Or maybe he's referring to Danny Brick.

Oliver never lost to either.

Post said struggled. Which he did.

Edit: My bad, meant Tobias Church.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Post said struggled. Which he did.

They stalemated the first time when the police interfered in the fight. He never struggled against the bronze tiger.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Edit: My bad, meant Tobias Church.

Lol, he allowed Tobias Church to beat him so ragman could save him and become a hero.

Originally posted by staxamillion
i was referring to those that think that DD would win. Arrow hasn't had as much or as consistent training as DD. he couldn't have had that much time with each 'sensei' so IMO DD has the training advantage.

And Arrow struggled with a guy with brass knucks...

it doesn't contradict because he almost always gets into H2H and then has to use an arrow to finish or get away.

i don't see why DD wouldn't be able to close the gap between the two and remove the long range threat. if Ollie fights the way he does on Arrow and Matt fights the way he does on DD i'll give it to DD.

What training did DD receive that supports your position? IIRC he was only trained by Stick who abandoned him as a child. So being trained by Stick for an unspecified while as a child is greater or better than all the training we know that Arrow had. Arrow was training and surviving on the Island for five years. Arrow has also continued to improve as he was no match for Ras Al Ghul the first time, but after being trained by Ras, Arrow beat him in combat in the rematch.

Arrow most impressive feats are h2h. Again if we judge according to feats that happen in the shows, Arrow's combat feats are better. If one chooses to ignore what Arrow has done and vote because of prettier choreography, then of course DD wins.

I was thinking since he started at an earlier age he had more time to train himself.

they way I see it and maybe its because they have to make a show a certain way, that Ollie does struggle with H2H. like that guy who couldn't feel pain. Ollie always gets tossed around some before closes the deal so he's not IMO better.

Ra's was a bad ass for a super long time and had knowledge, wisdom, and xp, but killing him doesn't mean he is gets the benefit of all that. and he was killed only after getting the upper hand.

Wow i think that Danco of youtube used my idea.
https://youtu.be/bSOrab-gmbI

Green arrow fought the flash and deathstroke.