Originally posted by JBL
So now we have superman in bfr mode and not being able to be hit. BUT!! The same people vote against Hyperion, Gladiator, Black Adam, Captain Marvel when they are put up against the same or similar opponents. Only superman gets the bfr or not being hit treatment. Yet by FEATS, he gets hit ALL the time by far slower opponents. But when it is necessary to give superman the win, he's taken out of character to meet that objective by his fans. The Royal treatment is stronger than ever before when it comes to superman. JBL points this out. Yet gets called a hater. What I hate is the fact that only superman gets SPECIAL powers, unknown abilities, misconceptions and flat out lies about what he can, have or is going to do. Same class of fans every single day for forever and a day. You cannot for the love of debating debate against a character that has fans in bulk that has THEIR own version of Superman that does not match up to the actual comic superman that disappears when someone attempts to use him in a thread.
This. I agree completely.
Originally posted by JBL
So now we have superman in bfr mode and not being able to be hit. BUT!! The same people vote against Hyperion, Gladiator, Black Adam, Captain Marvel when they are put up against the same or similar opponents. Only superman gets the bfr or not being hit treatment. Yet by FEATS, he gets hit ALL the time by far slower opponents. But when it is necessary to give superman the win, he's taken out of character to meet that objective by his fans. The Royal treatment is stronger than ever before when it comes to superman. JBL points this out. Yet gets called a hater. What I hate is the fact that only superman gets SPECIAL powers, unknown abilities, misconceptions and flat out lies about what he can, have or is going to do. Same class of fans every single day for forever and a day. You cannot for the love of debating debate against a character that has fans in bulk that has THEIR own version of Superman that does not match up to the actual comic superman that disappears when someone attempts to use him in a thread.
Superman can win, but I just don't think it's going to come via slugging it out with a super powered version of Jason Voorhees.
Originally posted by JBL
So now we have superman in bfr mode and not being able to be hit. BUT!! The same people vote against Hyperion, Gladiator, Black Adam, Captain Marvel when they are put up against the same or similar opponents. Only superman gets the bfr or not being hit treatment. Yet by FEATS, he gets hit ALL the time by far slower opponents. But when it is necessary to give superman the win, he's taken out of character to meet that objective by his fans. The Royal treatment is stronger than ever before when it comes to superman. JBL points this out. Yet gets called a hater. What I hate is the fact that only superman gets SPECIAL powers, unknown abilities, misconceptions and flat out lies about what he can, have or is going to do. Same class of fans every single day for forever and a day. You cannot for the love of debating debate against a character that has fans in bulk that has THEIR own version of Superman that does not match up to the actual comic superman that disappears when someone attempts to use him in a thread.
It's not about what some people argue but rather what's true.
Superman is not a moron, even if he sometimes fought like one.
He doesn't purposely turn his speed perception off or completely rule out bfr if he decides that's the only way to win. Bottom line: Superman has options. He will use them if he feels they are necessary.
You can't pick and choose. Characters fight to the best of their ability as shown before. That's for anyone.
With that said, this version of Superhuman hits much harder than his average self (which can compete with any herald). He has speed and perceptions to see the fight many times slower than a normal being. He has bfr options if he decides that's the only way to win.
Originally posted by h1a8Stop saying "this version of superhuman".. tell it like it is and say " your version of superhuman".
It's not about what some people argue but rather what's true.
Superman is not a moron, even if he sometimes fought like one.
He doesn't purposely turn his speed perception off or completely rule out bfr if he decides that's the only way to win. Bottom line: Superman has options. He will use them if he feels they are necessary.You can't pick and choose. Characters fight to the best of their ability as shown before. That's for anyone.
With that said, this version of Superhuman hits much harder than his average self (which can compete with any herald). He has speed and perceptions to see the fight many times slower than a normal being. He has bfr options if he decides that's the only way to win.
Originally posted by tkitna
Its the mental blocks thing man. Havent you heard?I'm with you JBL, its all BS.
World of cardboard syndrome. Fear of breaking someone.
Peter Parker has the same problem, as the Sin Eater arc showed. He was abducting children, and Spidey beat him within an inch of his life. Much later, he finds out he's free and goes to confront him, and finds a crippled man who can barely function, and was pathetically telling him he deserved every shattered bone, every severed nerve.. It was enough to make Peter dive out of the building in panic..
And that's Spidey. Now imagine the same phobia when you can move mountains.
Originally posted by h1a8let me ask you this. ( I fear I already know what you will say) Question: Do you think that superman while holding back is equal to Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Blue Marvel, Hyperion Gladiator and Thor while these characters are using their full strength, but rise FAR above them when he himself stops holding back and use his full strength?? Because that's a certain isolated virus that's affecting certain fans on here because posters with common sense are immune to it.
So do you believe that Superman at the end of DOS was hitting DD with the same force that he was at the beginning of the saga?
Originally posted by JBLAnswer my question.
let me ask you this. ( I fear I already know what you will say) Question: Do you think that superman while holding back is equal to Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Blue Marvel, Hyperion Gladiator and Thor while these characters are using their full strength, but rise FAR above them when he himself stops holding back and use his full strength?? Because that's a certain isolated virus that's affecting certain fans on here because posters with common sense are immune to it.
Originally posted by h1a8Lol, yeah. He dodged the heck out of that question. Why? Well I'd guess it's because Superman and Doomsday were CLEARLY striking one another with FAR more force at the end of the arc, than they were at the beginning. That much is incontrovertible fact. Here are some blatant examples...
Answer my question.
From near the beginning of the arc:
Same comic, a few pages later:
Logical deduction aside, it was also outright stated that Doomsday's strength continuously increased during the battle -- which obviously means Superman's strength did the same:
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*In short, your point/opinion here is the accurate one. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, yeah. He dodged the heck out of that question. Why? Well I'd guess it's because Superman and Doomsday were CLEARLY striking one another with FAR more force at the end of the arc, than they were at the beginning. That much is incontrovertible fact. Here are some blatant examples...I am pretty sure the caption to his pic was that punch could have destroyed a mountain. Also I believe in this arc kinda show a Gladiator type confidence fade and power fade.
From near the beginning of the arc:
*In short, your point/opinion here is the accurate one. 👆