Originally posted by SunRazer
Post-KotOR Revan is a very broad term. You can't classify Revan a year on from KotOR with SoR Revan for instance.
Originally posted by RockydonovangRevan has been in the Jedi Temple you dumb****. He visited the Jedi Archives in the Revan novel.
Are reborn revan and pre mask revan two versions of the same character?
Yes
So has reborn revan ever walked the corridors of the jedi temple?
Yes, he has
So if mace is more powerful than any jedi who've ever walked the corridors of the jedi temple, does that place mace above jedi revan? yes it does.
To clarify my last point, the main entrance corridor was canonically destroyed with the Sacking of Coruscant and redone later. There's no proof Revan walked any other corridors. The Jedi Council chamber and the Jedi Archives are not corridors, and from what I can tell, there's no indication walking additional corridors besides the main entrance corridor is necessary in reaching these places - just turbolifts.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Decided to call this an issue of semantics before I searched up "ever" for its precise dictionary definition, the first of which was "at any time"'.So yeah, Dooku & Mace > Reborn Revan, lmfao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCYyNbQq_vo
Actually, based on this video, the Jedi Temple was *completely* rebuilt - the areas that Revan walked through especially.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan's more powerful because his feats and accolades are better. Neither Windu nor Dooku have anything beyond Revan. Windu walking in a different Jedi Temple, let alone being compared to a differen incarnation of Revan, doesn't qualify, sorry.
The quote states Yoda and Mace Windu are the most powerful Jedi to walk "the corridors of the Jedi Temple," not the Jedi Temple itself. Whether the quote is referring to any corridors ever established, or specifically the existing ones, is ambiguous. Revan walked in a completely different Jedi Temple than Mace Windu and Yoda, after all. For one, it's silly to place such famous and important characters over another over something so unclear like that. And that's not even the main point:
The fact the incarnations are off the same character are irrelevant. Revan walked in the Jedi Temple, but during the moment he walked in, he wasn't more powerful than Yoda or Mace Windu. Thus, Yoda and Mace Windu were the most powerful Jedi to ever (referring to the history of the Jedi Order (although even that is up for debate based on your response to this post), not the history of the characters in question) walk the corridors of the Jedi Temple. If you wish to stretch the meaning of the quote beyond what is explicit, then Mace Windu is more powerful than RotS Anakin Skywalker and FotJ Luke Skywalker as well.
1. Rebuilding something desn't mean you're making something new. Its a new version of the same temple
2. it doesn't matter which corridors are being walked on, all said corridors are corridors "of the jedi temple"
3/ Its silly to rely in feat/accolade comparisons across era's when you have factual statements to go by
4. Except the ever is not needed for the statement to apply to a character overall. If you take out ever you get "yoda and mace windu were the most powerful jedi to have walked the corridors of the temple", the "to have walked" still allows for the statement to apply to a jedi's history. Heck even if it was "yoda and mace were the most powerful to walk the temple", you could still intepret it as the above sentence. The "to have walked" alone explicitly indicates that the statement applies to a charcter's history, The "ever" explicitly indicates that this applies to the order's history. Even without the ever you could intepret the statement as taking beyond the current time period and all time, but because of the ever, it clearly applies to the history of the jedi.
5. Uh no, this quote is referring to aotc yoda/mace. As the quote is in past tense, it refers to anyone chronologically up untill aotc. It doesn't include characters who chronologically come after aotc. Otherwise it would have to indicate something about the future liek say. "yoda and windu are the most powerful jedi to have, and who will ever the corridors of the jedi temple".
1. Rebuilding something desn't mean you're making something new. Its a new version of the same temple
Then you would surely agree that Luke Skywalker walked in the same temple as Mace Windu, then.
2. it doesn't matter which corridors are being walked on, all said corridors are corridors "of the jedi temple"
The question is whether the quote is discussing all corridors or simply existing ones. Either way fits the qualifications of the quote 😬
3/ Its silly to rely in feat/accolade comparisons across era's when you have factual statements to go by
No, what's retarded is using a quote before Revan was ever conceived by a character from a foreign company with numerous mistakes in their entries in the past, likely because they aren't fact-checked like other Star Wars books.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The "to have walked" alone explicitly indicates that the statement applies to a charcter's history
What the hell? How the hell does that mean it's referring to the character history. The tense means that these events happened in the past - something you even point out.
5. Uh no, this quote is referring to aotc yoda/mace. As the quote is in past tense, it refers to anyone chronologically up untill aotc. It doesn't include characters who chronologically come after aotc. Otherwise it would have to indicate something about the future liek say. "yoda and windu are the most powerful jedi to have, and who will ever the corridors of the jedi temple".
No it doesn't? Why the hell are you arbitrarily listing AotC. It's past-tense because all Star Wars encyclopedia's are past-tense. Why? Because Star Wars happened in the past..
The Fact Files doesn't exclude characters in the future when discussing earlier events. For example:
The date marks the post at 32 BBY, but it nonetheless references events way beyond that date.
The same applies to this instance. The fact the current tense emphasizes 32 BBY doesn't mean future events are ignored.
As it stands, your interpretation demands Mace Windu > FotJ Luke Skywalker.
Refusing to accept Windu's superiority is textbook hypocrisy, since you already said: "Its silly to rely in feat/accolade comparisons across era's when you have factual statements to go by." After all, there are no quotes stating Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in history, so this quote would hold.
It's also worth noting the context of the source. The Fact Files recognizes Mace Windu as a Jedi who is on par with Yoda in the Force. When most read the quote, the assumption is Yoda is #1 and Mace Windu is #2, but the Fact Files sees them both sharing the #1 spot - that is what the quote is suggesting. This interpretation of Mace Windu's status is inconsistent with the far more sources stating that Yoda and / or Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi. Thus, the quote can be outright dismissed under that merit.
Sometimes this happens. Not all sources recognize individuals on the same power levels. Statements regarding these characters have to be assessed via looking through the lens of the source.