Originally posted by Beniboybling
Quite, Valkorion hollowed out living beings to house his life force, cheated death to stay alive, only to eventually perish i.e. stop living.Honestly its really sad that its comes to this, that I actually have to explain to the TOR phags how Valkorion is alive. facepalm
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Case closed. Kek.
Do you expect a mere profile to explain the ground realities of Valkorion in detail? facepalm indeed.
That profile is not wrong at asserting that Valkorion has lived for a millennia; from 5113 BBY - 3950 BBY (1163 years to be precise). However, repeated attempts on his life forced him to shed his mortal coil.
The Emperor created his first Voice after the legendary Jedi named Revan attempted to assassinate him on Dromund Kaas.
Taken from TOR Encyclopedia
What do you think happens when a Force-user sheds his mortal coil? He is (logically and technically) not a living being after that and his formless presence is (logically and technically) a spirit:
Death is not the end. For Sith strong in the dark side, the demise of the physical body will not stop their relentless campaign for power. Such Sith may return as intangible spirits, able to communicate with the living. Among the Sith, these spirits are viewed with caution as well as reverence: Sith entities tend to be powerful, raging at their own demise and seeking revenge, or able to cunningly manipulate the living. The spirits of powerful Sith Lords such as Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, and Karness Murr influenced galactic events and inspired others to evil long after their physical deaths. For this reason, the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas, which houses sarcophagi of the Sith Emperor's deceased enemies, is as much a prison as tomb.
Taken from TOR: Encyclopedia
Valkorion certainly lived for a millennia but shed his mortal coil after the events of Revan and was (logically and technically) a spirit henceforth. Any living being he directly 'possessed' afterwards, was identified as his Voice.
The Voice is the mouthpiece through which the Emperor delivers his orders. This possessed being sacrifices all consciousness to become a hollow vessel for the Emperor.
Taken from TOR: Encyclopedia
To keep it simple:
A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.
Taken from TOR: KOET
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He now appears to the Outlander as an apparition, offering guidance and harsh lessons while carrying out a master plan that remains shrouded in secrecy.
Taken from TOR: KOET
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In-fact, we have an entire story arc of Valkorion that portrays him as an 'intangible apparition' before the events of Knights of the Fallen Empire; this chapter of his story is officially marketed as Rise of the Emperor.
"He did not assume a physical form or possess a body. And he left as soon as he appeared. None of it makes sense!" (Darth Marr)
Living beings were not able to understand the true nature of Valkorion when he interacted with them as an 'intangible spirit' because they were accustomed to interacting with his Voices and assumed that he too was a living being like them. This was not true.
Since Valkorion had become an 'intangible spirit' and was supremely strong in the Dark Side on top of that, other Force-users attempted to stop him but in vain:
"This is most distressing. Vitiate may be more powerful then any of us assumed. And as he does not appear to have any manner of physical form, he cannot be restrained or destroyed by conventional means." (Darth Marr)
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The Empire's highest ranking officers and dignitaries are now in a state of heightened alert, and the Dark Council has assembled a contingent of powerful Sith seers to get a fix on the Emperor's presence. When he makes his move, it is believed he will not distinguish between former friend or foe, as they will all eventually become his food and none will remain.
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You continue to surprise me with your recent arguments, Beni. Time for you to stop cherry-picking from the available information and start looking at the bigger picture. Your half-baked attempts to make a point that suits your agenda won't go unchallenged.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
A made up rule, any entry into continuity is valid for the entire breadth of that continuity. That's how it works.The SWTORE remains a definitive source on TOR and indeed Vitiate as long as it 1. remains part of Legends continuity 2. is not retconned by newer sources. Try to understand that again, sourcebooks don't have expiry dates.
In which case I'd advise on reading up on how continuity works.
Try to digest this:
"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves—and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies.
The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable.
The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.' "
From Christopher Cerasi
Emphasis mine. Nothing is gospel in Star Wars with the exception of movies or G-Canon content on the whole. The rest is open to interpretation because people (including authors) tend to have difference in opinion and perception of same stuff. This is why we notice contradictions and retcons in published materials even if they all pertain to the same character. Most of the source materials that you tend to cite in your arguments represent the perception of historians or characters about the events in the past. Such revelations can be challenged on the grounds of new content that was not accounted for in an older source material.
Your interpretation isn't more valid than mine so stop pretending to be my teacher in these matters.
By the way, source material classified as Legends is no longer part of official Star Wars continuity. Much of the stuff in it is open to interpretation even more-so then before due to Canon-Legends split. Welcome to 2015.