Azog the Defiler vs. Blackhand (Warcraft)

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It matters, because a guy who can handle Orcs normally felt like he would get murdered, so it says volumes about the Orc in question.

And that's the point. The Humans were [B]not beating the Orcs, save for Lothar and King Llane, which shows just how exceptional those two were. Regular Orcs getting defeated by other armies is nothing new. They only ever seem to do well when they have a notable numerical advantage and/or prep. So, that in itself doesn't say much. Also never said Azog and Bolg were just regular fodder either. It's obvious they were a step above the other Orcs.

But Blackhand was also clearly portrayed as being superior compared to the other Warcraft Orcs. He was one of the clan chiefs which, in a society where Might means Right pretty much rules, says a hell of a lot. The other Orcs were beating the humans, but they still had to put some fight in. Blackhand was taking them out casually, almost like an afterthought. He literally took out a fully armoured soldier, using nothing but a backhand. He also stomped Lothar's son, who was probably portrayed as the 3rd most skilled human fighter, after Llane and Lothar himself. Not to mention he was actually the Orc that tossed the horse, showcasing massive strength. And that was before he got the Fel amp. [/B]

Humans were killing orcs it just wasn't those two. Maybe we didn't see as much of the others handling them with the ease in which these two dispatched the regular orcs but we all know in these films only the title characters save the grunts truly stand out. What great orcs did Llane kill ?

Lothar raped Blackhand the dumbass who got his hand blown off and ran away in shame despite his overconfidence against the humans. Blackhand was a damn fool and would have been killed by Gul'dan save for Durotan's interference.

Who was Blackhand superior to Orc wise in combat iyo ??

Lothar's son wasn't ready and the movie slapped the viewer in the face with that over and over until his pitiful death. You exaggerate everything in favor of Blackhand who was crushed in a few seconds up against Lothar. He was shit. He initially had his hand blown off and despite the Fel amps was defeated quickly and decisively.

He was slow and overconfident. Azog isn't slow and he slayed great dwarf warriors before fatally wounding Thorin. Azog would behead this overreacted orc chieftain.

Originally posted by quanchi112

He was slow and overconfident. Azog isn't slow and he slayed great dwarf warriors before fatally wounding Thorin. Azog would behead this overreacted oc chieftain.

So why did you make this thread?

Originally posted by Placidity
So why did you make this thread?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what ?? He wanted peace so he knew only her killing him made any progress in that direction post his death. This isn't about him one on one with Blackhand. Blackhand didn't kill him.

Humans were killing orcs it just wasn't those two. Maybe we didn't see as much of the others handling them with the ease in which these two dispatched the regular orcs but we all know in these films only the title characters save the grunts truly stand out. What great orcs did Llane kill ?

Because he knew he would die against Blackhand. What is so difficult to understand there? He could have killed Blackhand and then just let Garona kill him afterwards, and it would have had the same result. But he knew Blackhand was his better, so let her kill him before they could square off.

We see other humans fight them. They show that plenty of times. One-on-one, the other soldiers generally got wrecked. They either had to use guns, or gang up on them, to take them out. This is shown time and time again. What we actually see > what you imagine happened offscreen.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Lothar raped Blackhand the dumbass who got his hand blown off and ran away in shame despite his overconfidence against the humans. Blackhand was a damn fool and would have been killed by Gul'dan save for Durotan's interference.

That speaks of Lothar's skill, seeing as we see how Blackhand casually handled other humans.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Who was Blackhand superior to Orc wise in combat iyo ??

The vast majority of the other Orcs, or he would not have been a clan chief. That is literally how their society works.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Lothar's son wasn't ready and the movie slapped the viewer in the face with that over and over until his pitiful death. You exaggerate everything in favor of Blackhand who was crushed in a few seconds up against Lothar. He was shit. He initially had his hand blown off and despite the Fel amps was defeated quickly and decisively.

No he wasn't. The movie simply portrayed that Lothar was afraid for his son. His son was one of the few individuals shown besting Orcs one-on-one. By actual feats, he was better than the vast majority of other human soldiers shown. Again, feats > what you like to imagine.

Blackhand lost his hand because he didn't even know what a gun was at that point. Azog doesn't have guns, so how exactly is that relevant?

I exaggerate nothing. You are just downplaying things you don't like because you want Azog to win. Probably because Rob said he didn't, and everyone knows you will disagree with him no matter what.

Originally posted by quanchi112

He was slow and overconfident. Azog isn't slow and he slayed great dwarf warriors before fatally wounding Thorin. Azog would behead this overreacted oc chieftain.

You are literally the only individual who thinks Azog wins. But you will ignore everything other people say, and still end up proclaiming yourself the winner of the thread, so it's actually pointless engaging you.

Bottom line:

Azog - Portrayed as better than shitty Orcs that normally get owned by most opponents.

Blackhand - Portrayed as better than Orcs who are all already formidable in their own right.

You can kick and scream all you like, but it won't change anything.

Originally posted by Placidity
So why did you make this thread?

Probably to get Robtard's attention.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Because he knew he would die against Blackhand. What is so difficult to understand there?

We see other humans fight them. They show that plenty of times. One-on-one, the other soldiers generally got wrecked. They either had to use guns, or gang up on them, to take them out. This is shown time and time again. What we actually see > what you imagine happened offscreen.
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They didn't have the men in the final battle against the horde.

That speaks of Lothar's skill, seeing as we see how Blackhand casually handled other humans.
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The vast majority of the other Orcs, or he would not have been a clan chief. That is literally how their society works.
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No he wasn't. The movie simply portrayed that Lothar was afraid for his son. His son was one of the few individuals shown besting Orcs one-on-one. By actual feats, he was better than the vast majority of other human soldiers shown. Again, feats > what you like to imagine.
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Lothar>>>>Blackhand. It's what we saw. Embarrassment. at least go down swinging or injure him Blackhand, you deserved death.

Blackhand lost his hand because he didn't even know what a gun was at that point. Azog doesn't have guns, so how exactly is that relevant?

I exaggerate nothing. You are just downplaying things you don't like because you want Azog to win. Probably because Rob said he didn't, and everyone knows you will disagree with him no matter what.
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Whether Rob agrees with Azog winning or not doesn't change the clearly supported theory Azog wins. Quit being weird and focus on the facts, sport.

You are literally the only individual who thinks Azog wins. But you will ignore everything other people say, and still end up proclaiming yourself the winner of the thread, so it's actually pointless engaging you.

Bottom line:

Azog - Portrayed as better than shitty Orcs that normally get owned by most opponents.

Blackhand - Portrayed as better than Orcs who are all already formidable in their own right.

You can kick and scream all you like, but it won't change anything. [/B]

Azog was handing dwarves their asses despite them also beating on normal orcs.

Blackhand was summarily crushed by a skilled human who was weaker than him by leaps and bounds. It wasn't close. He lost two fights against Lothar and was shames in his own community.

My specific debating is better than your vague generalities which doesn't pertain to these two characters themselves.

Blackhand was crushed by the human who crushed orcs. You're an idiot. A true moron savant who can't even grasp his own logic backfired in your silly little face.

Azog wins. He'd also beat Lothar as well. He's the biggest, baddest Orc. His army would defeat the horde as well.

What's even worse Blackhand didn't disarm Lothar's son. Another Orc did and Blackhand killed an unarmed scared kid. And you praise this pile of shit for it.

Azog wins.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Probably to get Robtard's attention.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His opinion isn't a fact nor does that change if he did kill Blackhand. Any Orc who hated humans outside of his ally was a step in the wrong direction slaying him. That was an inevitability in his current position and the mightiest Orc coming after him was Blackhand so he wanted to assure Blackhand didn't get the kill. Too much to risk, sport.

My point seems to have gone way over your head. He could have let himself be killed by Garona after defeating Blackhand, if he had been able to. But you are too stupid to grasp this.

Originally posted by quanchi112

We get it that orcs in general are considered greater than the humans who are completely unfamiliar with their physically stronger foes so of course there is a learning curve. Lothar discovers is very quickly to not meet them with strength head on since it's such a gap. So now using their own weapons doesn't count for someone odd reason ?? It's similar to saying Legolas had to resort to his now and arrow because he knew he was outmatched.

What kind of dumbassery is this? If Azog actually used guns, then it would be relevant, seeing as that is what took his hand off. He doesn't. So, your comparison is f****** retarded.

Originally posted by quanchi112

They didn't have the men in the final battle against the horde.

Lothar's skill>>>>Blackhand's physical enhancements and formidability. It wasn't close. Blackhand was embarrassed.

That is fine and shows how superior Lothar is to iyo one of the greatest Warcraft orcs with an amp in battle. The guy can't handle skill. Obviously.

Again, Lothar being >>>>> every other human soldier is just a reflection of how skilled he is. We know he is, seeing as how poorly the other soldiers were shown to do in melee.

Originally posted by quanchi112

We see the guardian tell his father about how his son wasn't ready. He clearly wasn't and was killed. He was a minor character and guess what the major ones had better feats. This isn't new to fiction. He wasn't half the man his father was who embarrassed Blackhand.

Again, they were concerned. Lothar was already a widower. He didn't want to risk losing his son in battle. You know, seeing as people, even seasoned veterans, can die in war. This is common sense. Again, his actual skill feats are better than most other soldiers. You are literally ignoring actual screen feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Lothar>>>>Blackhand. It's what we saw. Embarrassment. at least go down swinging or injure him Blackhand, you deserved death.

Which is exactly the point he was stupid and ignorant all in one Fel swoop. It shows how utterly stupid he is in combat. How did he fare with Lothar's maneuver in their duel at the films end ? Was he prepared ?

And Lothar was >>>> Everyone. So, getting hurt by a weapon you had never encountered before is now some low end? Wow, you are reaching.

Azog could barely defeat Thorin. Who of note did Thorin defeat one-on-one that makes him so impressive? The regular Orc fodder is shit. Beating them doesn't mean much.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Whether Rob agrees with Azog winning or not doesn't change the clearly supported theory Azog wins. Quit being weird and focus on the facts, sport.

He's in your head. Lol at you telling other people they're weird, considering your history of skype requests.

Originally posted by quanchi112

I am supporting myself by evidence you aren't. You exaggerate Blackhand against Azog the guy who ****ing people up left and right. He even put Gandalf on his ass. Gandalf attempted to flee from him. Sauron caught his cowardly ass and had him chained up like the sewer rat he is.

Azog was handing dwarves their asses despite them also beating on normal orcs.

Blackhand was summarily crushed by a skilled human who was weaker than him by leaps and bounds. It wasn't close. He lost two fights against Lothar and was shames in his own community.

My specific debating is better than your vague generalities which doesn't pertain to these two characters themselves.

Blackhand was crushed by the human who crushed orcs. You're an idiot. A true moron savant who can't even grasp his own logic backfired in your silly little face.

Azog wins. He'd also beat Lothar as well. He's the biggest, baddest Orc. His army would defeat the horde as well.

What's even worse Blackhand didn't disarm Lothar's son. Another Orc did and Blackhand killed an unarmed scared kid. And you praise this pile of shit for it.

Azog wins.

Nope, you are just doing your normal fanboy thing of wanking your favourite to death and downplaying anything someone says against you. Quan 101. Anyway, continue to live in your little fantasy land. Everyone else knows you are wrong, but I know your inner snowflake would break apart if you had to acknowledge it, so you be you. We're done here.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
My point seems to have gone way over your head. He could have let himself be killed by Garona after defeating Blackhand, if he had been able to. But you are too stupid to grasp this.

What kind of dumbassery is this? If Azog actually used guns, then it would be relevant, seeing as that is what took his hand off. He doesn't. So, your comparison is f****** retarded.
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Again, Lothar being >>>>> every other human soldier is just a reflection of how skilled he is. We know he is, seeing as how poorly the other soldiers were shown to do in melee.[/B]

Again, they were concerned. Lothar was already a widower. He didn't want to risk losing his son in battle. You know, seeing as people, even seasoned veterans, can die in war. This is common sense. Again, his actual skill feats are better than most other soldiers. You are literally ignoring actual screen feats.

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And Lothar was >>>> Everyone. So, getting hurt by a weapon you had never encountered before is now some low end? Wow, you are reaching.
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Azog could barely defeat Thorin. Who of note did Thorin defeat one-on-one that makes him so impressive? The regular Orc fodder is shit. Beating them doesn't mean much.
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He's in your head. Lol at you telling other people they're weird, considering your history of skype requests.

Nope, you are just doing your normal fanboy thing of wanking your favourite to death and downplaying anything someone says against you. Quan 101. Anyway, continue to live in your little fantasy land. Everyone else knows you are wrong, but I know your inner snowflake would break apart if you had to acknowledge it, so you be you. We're done here. [/B]

You lied about Blackhand earring Lothar's sons death. He was disarmed by a random Orc and then Blackhand came over and killed a frightened boy in front of his father.

Azog has greater screen feats, greater showings of skill, and isn't some random Orc so your whole logic falls apart in Warcraft when a great human crushed an Orc despite the random orcs were greater than random humans.

Since no one disputes Azog's superiority this thread is a wrap in his favor.

Everyone else disputed it, and they were right. People just have no interest in wasting any more time on your fanboyism. There are far better things to do in life than watch you repeatedly post the same drivel.

Also, nice strawman on the skype thing. I never said skype in and of itself is weird. I use it to communicate with people for work. I said your requests were weird. This is because of the manner in which you made the requests, as well as the reasoning for it. And, based on the responses to them that I have seen, the people you made the requests of thought the same.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Everyone else disputed it, and they were right. People just have no interest in wasting any more time on your fanboyism. There are far better things to do in life than watch you repeatedly post the same drivel.

Also, nice strawman on the skype thing. I never said skype in and of itself is weird. I use it to communicate with people for work. I said your requests were weird. This is because of the manner in which you made the requests, as well as the reasoning for it. And, based on the responses to them that I have seen, the people you made the requests of thought the same.

You also created another thread begging me to interact in it. You're a dope who creates more threads for my Azog to reign supreme in.

Azog kills Blackhand not in the same manner as Lothar but the result is ultimately the same. Quit obsessing over Skype it's rather odd.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Azog as he appears in the Battle of the Five Armies at the end vs. Blackhand who was amped by the Fel at the films end. Who wins ?

10000 of these guys show up and kill both of them and all of their armies...

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
10000 of these guys show up and kill both of them and all of their armies...

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Azog doesn't lose a single matchup. He is quicker, showed more skilled in a fight with weapons, showed far more cunning and ingenuity in combat, and would come out the victor over Blackhand.

I already listed valid and feat backed reasons why Blackhand would win this match. You've simply decided Azog is your new focus(threads you've made, sig/avy), so you'll argue nonsense nonstop in his favor. Cool; no worries.

Originally posted by Robtard
I already listed valid and feat backed reasons why Blackhand would win this match. You've simply decided Azog is your new focus(threads you've made, sig/avy), so you'll argue nonsense nonstop in his favor. Cool; no worries.

Blackhand threw a horse. Cool story. He dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are an idiot who believes trolling about shitty xmen comics no one cares about makes you look cool or edgy. It makes you look pathetic and bolsters my staggering post count.

I'm not the one who reps a guy who is so cowardly that he begs for his life when facing a superior foe:

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I'm not the one who reps a guy who is so cowardly that he begs for his life when facing a superior foe:

🙂

Azog wins the topic, troll.