Originally posted by deathslash
force bubble+ enough durability to walk off getting shot by an AT-AT/survive buildings falling on him. He tosses hulk into the atmosphere or cuts his head off.
Force bubble could work initially. Hulks survived worse and would just heal and get stronger. Are you gonna debate or use fanfic because everything else youve just said isnt working.
Originally posted by carver9
Most durable thing the blade has cut.
I have no issue saying Hulk wins. But lightsabers are no joke in the cutting department. They're pretty much the adamantium of the SW universe. There are a couple uber substances that can hold up to it in small bursts, but nothing I can recall that wouldn't get sliced eventually.
Originally posted by Digi
I have no issue saying Hulk wins. But lightsabers are no joke in the cutting department. They're pretty much the adamantium of the SW universe. There are a couple uber substances that can hold up to it in small bursts, but nothing I can recall that wouldn't get sliced eventually.
Agreed. I know it's extremely powerful but if we are using the Hulk that's in the pic, Adamantium has even failed against his skin.
Originally posted by Digi
I have no issue saying Hulk wins. But lightsabers are no joke in the cutting department. They're pretty much the adamantium of the SW universe. There are a couple uber substances that can hold up to it in small bursts, but nothing I can recall that wouldn't get sliced eventually.
Slicing or cutting hulk isn't the issue (adamantly can do that). It's the amount of force required to seriously hurt him that's lacking.
If Legends feats are included, Vader wins. He possessed galaxy-level TK, and the ability to generate force-maelstroms capable of atomizing those in his general vicinity(to name a few of his ridiculous abilities.)
...And a lightsaber would undoubtedly be able to pierce Hulk's hide. Get that resistance to lightsabers shit out of here. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007
If Legends feats are included, Vader wins. He possessed galaxy-level TK, and the ability to generate force-maelstroms capable of atomizing those in his general vicinity(to name a few of his ridiculous abilities.)...And a lightsaber would undoubtedly be able to pierce Hulk's hide. Get that resistance to lightsabers shit out of here. srsly
Maybe i should start using "What if" feats as my argument as well? Let's make everything that's not canon, canon.
Are you suggesting a lightsaber is infallible?
Hence why I said "IF Legends feats are included." Typically when people create SW threads(even on the SW forums), they allow Legends to be used... This simply gives us a larger pot to pull from, as post-Legends continuity is still quite new, thus most characters do not yet have many feats that can be used. But again: I don't know if that was the thread starter's intention, hence 'if'. 😉
No. I am just saying that lightsabers have the cutting feats to suggest they can pierce Hulk's hide. Simple. Anyone who actually knows SW would certainly agree.
Please do not put words in my mouth. The faux-intellectual BS you pull with some people will not work on me. 🙂
Your opinion on Legends is moot and counter productive. If it's non-canon then it's non-canon. Not sure why youd even mention it. Typically when people want to use said feats they include said feats/versions in the op..stop projecting.
I never said he couldnt cut him. What i said was he lacked the force (pun intended) to sufficiently harm him. He is as you know highly resistant to damage coupled with a hf thats simply beyond Vaders damage output.
Lol at last comment. Pot calling the kettle? In any event i relish the chance to engage an intellect superior to mine own. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Sin I AMIt's not counterproductive at all, as the thread starter didn't specify either way. IF Legends is included, Vader wins. IF Legends is not included, Vader loses due to lack of feats. Simple.
Your opinion on Legends is moot and counter productive. If it's non-canon then it's non-canon. Not sure why youd even mention it. Typically when people want to use said feats they include said feats/versions in the op..stop projecting.
Originally posted by Sin I AMI disagree to a point.
I never said he couldnt cut him. What i said was he lacked the force (pun intended) to sufficiently harm him. He is as you know highly resistant to damage coupled with a hf thats simply beyond Vaders damage output.
Unlike most other conventional weapons, sabers to not rely on the force/momentum generated by the swing to cause damage. They are, after all, relatively weightless -- in fact, the only quantifiable weight is in the hilt of the weapon. The heat element of the saber is what does the bulk of the damage, regardless of the force behind it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWCool beans. So...
It's like saying "Only dcnu matters now, not sure why you mention pre-flashpoint stuff".Ok, so:
1. Legends Vader.
2. Disney Vader.
Pre-death, pre-depowerment Hulk.
Originally posted by Galan007
IF Legends is included, Vader wins. IF Legends is not included, Vader loses due to lack of feats. Simple.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZHe effortlessly force-choked Xizor from half the galaxy away whilst holding back.
Huh?
Originally posted by Galan007
It's not counterproductive at all, as the thread starter didn't specify either way. IF Legends is included, Vader wins. IF Legends is not included, Vader loses due to lack of feats. Simple.I disagree to a point.
Unlike most other conventional weapons, sabers to not rely on the force/momentum generated by the swing to cause damage. They are, after all, relatively weightless -- in fact, the only quantifiable weight is in the hilt of the weapon. The heat element of the saber is what does the bulk of the damage, regardless of the force behind it.
Fine. Op clarified so i concede.
I disagree. But only on the grounds that it wouldn't require sufficient force to cut him deep.
Originally posted by Sin I AMYou went for the jugular.
Your opinion on Legends is moot and counter productive. If it's non-canon then it's non-canon. Not sure why youd even mention it. Typically when people want to use said feats they include said feats/versions in the op..stop projecting.I never said he couldnt cut him. What i said was he lacked the force (pun intended) to sufficiently harm him. He is as you know highly resistant to damage coupled with a hf thats simply beyond Vaders damage output.
Lol at last comment. Pot calling the kettle? In any event i relish the chance to engage an intellect superior to mine own. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your opinion on Legends is moot and counter productive. If it's non-canon then it's non-canon. Not sure why youd even mention it. Typically when people want to use said feats they include said feats/versions in the op..stop projecting.
Lol. But this is a little different than a What-If, because Legends was in fact canon for decades, and has only been deemed otherwise since the new movies. For purposes of battles like this, it's still in a weird transition. The DCnU comparison is a fair one, but imagine when it was only a year in. Most DC vs. threads were pre-DCnU characters, even when the OP didn't specifically stipulate. SW is in that same weird state right now.
So sure, remove Legends and it's a very different conversation. Same with any SW character. But it's worth making the distinction exactly because the difference is so great between the two.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
In any event i relish the chance to engage an intellect superior to mine own. 😖hifty:
Always happy to help.
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that pic. in some distant, distant future, you really should have that on your tombstone.... that would be awesome.... 👆
and the saber would definitely cut hulk, question is how quick he'd heal from it. it doesn't 'cut' so much as it simply melts whatever it touches. is it conceivable vader simply beheads him? well, i don't think it's inconceivable, coupled with all his other powers. coupled with a force push, he could certainly drive the saber straight DOWN into hulk's brain at the very least. probably wouldn't even need the force for that. pretty sure he'd feel pretty shitty with a lightsaber shoved into his brain.... but would that kill hulk? attacks on his brain have def had some success in the past so, meh. i dunno.
Originally posted by Sin I AMLightsaber blades are weightless, so the force/momentum behind a strike does not contribute to its ability to cut/pierce *as* much as standard melee weaponry. The heat-element of the saber is what generates the bulk of the damage... That's why Qui-Gon, for example, was able to plunge his saber through very thick blast doors with almost no effort:
I disagree. But only on the grounds that it wouldn't require sufficient force to cut him deep.
That said, the power behind a saber-strike certainly does contribute to its effectiveness to some degree -- I am certainly not trying to imply otherwise. It is just not as profound a difference as we see in, say, a conventional sword.