X-24 isn't doing shit with ease. His healing isn't as powerful as pre-Logan Wolverine (he needed that serum to help recover from his more serious injuries), and his fighting skill is absolutely crap. And Luke has shown that he can keep fighting even after having two alien bullets explode inside his chest, like grenades, and has his own (albeit slower) healing factor. Diamondback was one-shot murdering regular humans, sending them flying 20+ and caving their chests in, and Luke beat him, while holding back. X-24 can likely outlast him, but it won't be easy. And that's also basically just down to the adamantium. Without it, his claws would break against Cage and he'd get his face smashed in.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
X-24 isn't doing shit with ease. His healing isn't as powerful as pre-Logan Wolverine (he needed that serum to help recover from his more serious injuries), and his fighting skill is absolutely crap. And Luke has shown that he can keep fighting even after having two alien bullets explode inside his chest, like grenades, and has his own (albeit slower) healing factor. Diamondback was one-shot murdering regular humans, sending them flying 20+ and caving their chests in, and Luke beat him, while holding back. X-24 can likely outlast him, but it won't be easy. And that's also basically just down to the adamantium. Without it, his claws would break against Cage and he'd get his face smashed in.
The adamantium + the extreme viciousness + healing factor would allow him to beat Cage with ease...
Maybe you forget the crazy amount of punishment he took in Logan; after killing Xavier, X-23 went crazy on him and stabbed him repeated in the neck and body...
X-24 just shrugged it off...
Right after that, Logan landed a flurry of deep stabs to X-24 and X-24 took it all and still had the advantage against Logan...
And no, X-24's fighting ability wasnt "crap;" its far superior to anything we've seen out of Cage (Cage hasnt demonstrated anything near the skill level we saw from X-24 during his fight sequences)...
I repeat, X-24 rips right through Cage like a hot knife against butter...
X-24 is faster, more agile, far more vicious, has built in weapons that will slice Cage apart like pizza, has a reach advantage due to those invincible weapons, and has a healing factor that Cage will not be able to overcome...
X-24 slaughters Luke Cage...
Heck, X-23 would slaughter Luke Cage...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The adamantium + the extreme viciousness + healing factor would allow him to beat Cage with ease...Maybe you forget the crazy amount of punishment he took in Logan; after killing Xavier, X-23 went crazy on him and stabbed him repeated in the neck and body...
X-24 just shrugged it off...
Right after that, Logan landed a flurry of deep stabs to X-24 and X-24 took it all and still had the advantage against Logan...
I didn't forget anything. I said his healing factor is not as good as prime Logan. And it's true. He was still in bad shape hours after he got impaled. Prime Logan would have recovered from that MUCH sooner. Prime Logan has healed from worse is less time than that.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And no, X-24's fighting ability wasnt "crap;" its far superior to anything we've seen out of Cage (Cage hasnt demonstrated anything near the skill level we saw from X-24 during his fight sequences)...
Bullshit. He was getting outskilled by old, battered Logan who, by your own admission, was landing "flurries" of hits. The same Logan who got put on the ground by some of Pierce's men (something that would not happen to Cage). He was beating Logan due to being in better shape and having a more functional healing factor. Not because he was displaying some great level of skill. Cage was a trained boxer, Marine, and prison fight champion. He showed notable skill when he fought at Seagate. He just didn't need to against most opponents, because he could literally oneshot them with light taps/slaps. And even when he was barely exerting himself, he still showed skill. Like when he raided that boxing gym. He casually took out 5 guys in about 10 seconds, without any of them actually landing a hit. Closest any of them came to hitting him was one guy who jumped on his back.
He also had to hold back his attacks against Diamondback, because his hits were just making him stronger. The suit absorbed the energy and powered up his own attacks. So, he also had to let Diamondback lay into him, and use up the power. The fact that Luke managed to beat a guy who literally got more powerful with every hit he took (basically Shaw-light) shows how skilled and smart a fighter Cage actually is. And he did this while not trying to seriously injure/kill him.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I repeat, X-24 rips right through Cage like a hot knife against butter...X-24 is faster, more agile, far more vicious, has built in weapons that will slice Cage apart like pizza, has a reach advantage due to those invincible weapons, and has a healing factor that Cage will not be able to overcome...
X-24 slaughters Luke Cage...
Heck, X-23 would slaughter Luke Cage...
The things X-24 has cut <<<< Cage's durability. It took special high-calibre alien tech bullets, fired out of a high-powered rifle, that needed to drill into him, to penetrate his skin. Nothing else came close to damaging his skin. And even then, he could keep on fighting. X-24 should be able to cut him but, by actual feats, it won't be that easy.
X-24 wins, but it is because of the adamantium. Without it, no amount of viciousness will get him anywhere. He couldn't even hurt Cage, whereas Cage's concrete and steel busting hits would turn his non-adamantium skull to paste.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I didn't forget anything. I said his healing factor is not as good as prime Logan. And it's true. He was still in bad shape hours after he got impaled. Prime Logan would have recovered from that MUCH sooner. Prime Logan has healed from worse is less time than that.Bullshit. He was getting outskilled by old, battered Logan who, by your own admission, was landing "flurries" of hits. The same Logan who got put on the ground by some of Pierce's men (something that would not happen to Cage). He was beating Logan due to being in better shape and having a more functional healing factor. Not because he was displaying some great level of skill. Cage was a trained boxer, Marine, and prison fight champion. He showed notable skill when he fought at Seagate. He just didn't need to against most opponents, because he could literally oneshot them with light taps/slaps. And even when he was barely exerting himself, he still showed skill. Like when he raided that boxing gym. He casually took out 5 guys in about 10 seconds, without any of them actually landing a hit. Closest any of them came to hitting him was one guy who jumped on his back.
He also had to hold back his attacks against Diamondback, because his hits were just making him stronger. The suit absorbed the energy and powered up his own attacks. So, he also had to let Diamondback lay into him, and use up the power. The fact that Luke managed to beat a guy who literally got more powerful with every hit he took (basically Shaw-light) shows how skilled and smart a fighter Cage actually is. And he did this while not trying to seriously injure/kill him.
The things X-24 has cut <<<< Cage's durability. It took special high-calibre alien tech bullets, fired out of a high-powered rifle, that needed to drill into him, to penetrate his skin. Nothing else came close to damaging his skin. And even then, he could keep on fighting. X-24 should be able to cut him but, by actual feats, it won't be that easy.
X-24 wins, but it is because of the adamantium. Without it, no amount of viciousness will get him anywhere. He couldn't even hurt Cage, whereas Cage's concrete and steel busting hits would turn his non-adamantium skull to paste.
Luke fought skillless garbage; NONE of his opponents were as fast, agile, and vicious as X-24...
None of them...
As pertains the healing factor not being as good as prime Wolvie's, so what!?
It wont matter in this fight as Cage wont be able to do anywhere near the amount of damage needed to overtax it...
Also, old school Wolvie was faster and more agile than the trash opponents Cage faced...
Think about it like this: Cage hasnt shown the combat speed needed to dodge X-24's flurries (and make no mistake, X-24 will hurl flurries at Cage just like he did Wolvie)...
Cage cant block any of X-24 attacks as that will result in massive damage...
Cage will have to fight upclose to do any harm to X-24, which is exactly what X-24 wants...
Cage gets sliced to pieces...
You can argue the semantics and try to say that it wont be "easy" all you want, but at the end of the fight, X-24 will show no damage to his body, while Cage will be a headless corpse devoid of limbs, in a pool of his own blood...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Luke fought skillless garbage; NONE of his opponents were as fast, agile, and vicious as X-24...None of them...
Diamondback was not skill-less. He was also a complete psycho who killed everyone who pissed him off, and tried his best to beat Cage to death. So, he was plenty vicious as well. So were the guys he fought at Seagate, who were specifically picked out due to being the most formidable guys in the prison.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
As pertains the healing factor not being as good as prime Wolvie's, so what!?It wont matter in this fight as Cage wont be able to do anywhere near the amount of damage needed to overtax it...
Also, old school Wolvie was faster and more agile than the trash opponents Cage faced...
He is also far less durable and physically weaker. Based on feats, a single punch to the head from Diamondback would have rocked old Logan hard.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Think about it like this: Cage hasnt shown the combat speed needed to dodge X-24's flurries (and make no mistake, X-24 will hurl flurries at Cage just like he did Wolvie)...Cage cant block any of X-24 attacks as that will result in massive damage...
Cage will have to fight upclose to do any harm to X-24, which is exactly what X-24 wants...
Cage gets sliced to pieces...
You can argue the semantics and try to say that it wont be "easy" all you want, but at the end of the fight, X-24 will show no damage to his body, while Cage will be a headless corpse devoid of limbs, in a pool of his own blood...
I never said Cage wins. But, again, based on feats, cutting him, while possible, won't be easy. Cage has taken high calibre gunfire, explosions, impacts with speeding vehicles, falls from great heights etc. without even picking up a bruise. X-24 does not have the cutting feats to show he can "easily" slice up Cage. That is fact.
And everything you listed with regards to damage is down to the adamantium claws and skeleton. So, thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Diamondback was not skill-less. He was also a complete psycho who killed everyone who pissed him off, and tried his best to beat Cage to death. So, he was plenty vicious as well. So were the guys he fought at Seagate, who were specifically picked out due to being the most formidable guys in the prison.He is also far less durable and physically weaker. Based on feats, a single punch to the head from Diamondback would have rocked old Logan hard.
I never said Cage wins. But, again, based on feats, cutting him, while possible, won't be easy. Cage has taken high calibre gunfire, explosions, impacts with speeding vehicles, falls from great heights etc. without even picking up a bruise. X-24 does not have the cutting feats to show he can "easily" slice up Cage. That is fact.
And everything you listed with regards to damage is down to the adamantium claws and skeleton. So, thanks for proving my point.
So what if its down to the Adamantium; thats part of what makes X-24, X-24...
As pertains viciousness, please tell me you are not trying to compare the combat viciousness of Diamondback to that of X-24...
X-24 is worlds more vicious than Diamonback ever was; especially in melee combat...
Also, X-24 has Adamantium claws identical to Logans, so all of Logans cutting feats can logically be applied here as a result...
Logan beheaded Deadpool...remember? Well X-24's weapons are identical to his in everyway.
So yeah, X-24 slices right though Cage...
So whats your point? That the Adamantium makes the difference? So what, its apart of X-24...
X-24 is superior to Cage...period.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So what if its down to the Adamantium; thats part of what makes X-24, X-24...As pertains viciousness, please tell me you are not trying to compare the combat viciousness of Diamondback to that of X-24...
X-24 is worlds more vicious than Diamonback ever was; especially in melee combat...
Having claws does not automatically make you more vicious. It just makes your attacks more bloody. Diamondback caved people's chests in with his hits. Just because there wasn't a pile of blood, doesn't mean it is any less vicious. What did you want him to do? Waste time pulling someone limb from limb, when it was not even remotely necessary?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Also, X-24 has Adamantium claws identical to Logans, so all of Logans cutting feats can logically be applied here as a result...Logan beheaded Deadpool...remember? Well X-24's weapons are identical to his in everyway.
So yeah, X-24 slices right though Cage...
He did that because his claws got superheated blocking the optic beams. They were glowing orange when he did it. We already know that heated adamantium has much greater cutting power than normal adamantium, so much so that it can even cut through normal adamantium, as seen in The Wolverine. But that's not standard, and not in this fight.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So whats your point? That the Adamantium makes the difference? So what, its apart of X-24...X-24 is superior to Cage...period.
That the adamantium makes all the difference. Level of viciousness means diddly squat.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Having claws does not automatically make you more vicious. It just makes your attacks more bloody. Diamondback caved people's chests in with his hits. Just because there wasn't a pile of blood, doesn't mean it is any less vicious. What did you want him to do? Waste time pulling someone limb from limb, when it was not even remotely necessary?He did that because his claws got superheated blocking the optic beams. They were glowing orange when he did it. We already know that heated adamantium has much greater cutting power than normal adamantium, so much so that it can even cut through normal adamantium, as seen in The Wolverine. But that's not standard, and not in this fight.
That the adamantium makes all the difference. Level of viciousness means diddly squat.
The level of viciousness means alot...
A whole lot; X-24 will constantly go for kill shots and will hurl flurries of them...
Cage will not survive...
So lets draw this up; how is Cage going to approach this fight?
Come at him bob and weaving in a boxers stance?
X-24 has the reach advantage do to his claws and Cage has no feats of dodging attacks from someone as agile and fast as X-24, so what happens once Cage is in range of those lethal claws?
He gets sliced and diced...
Maybe Cage can throw and land a few blows, but so what? Its not like X-24 will stop attacking, and X-24's healing factor combined with his Adamantium skeleton is more than enough to tank Cages attacks...
No matter how you draw this up, Cage loses this fight in brutal fashion...
He gets sliced to pieces while X-24 wins with no lasting injury...
In other words, X-24 wins...easily.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The level of viciousness means alot...A whole lot; X-24 will constantly go for kill shots and will hurl flurries of them...
Cage will not survive...
So did Diamondback. He was smashing his head into walls, smashing him into cars, hitting him with the same level of force he killed normal people with. Even tried to throttle him to death.
And wow, you are seriously being obtuse now. Level of viciousness would not help him in the fight if he did not have the adamantium. He'd try and stab Cage and break his claws in the process. So no, it does not matter.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So lets draw this up; how is Cage going to approach this fight?Come at him bob and weaving in a boxers stance?
X-24 has the reach advantage do to his claws and Cage has no feats of dodging attacks from someone as agile and fast as X-24, so what happens once Cage is in range of those lethal claws?
He gets sliced and diced...
Maybe Cage can throw and land a few blows, but so what? Its not like X-24 will stop attacking, and X-24's healing factor combined with his Adamantium skeleton is more than enough to tank Cages attacks...
No matter how you draw this up, Cage loses this fight in brutal fashion...
He gets sliced to pieces while X-24 wins with no lasting injury...
In other words, X-24 wins...easily.
Again, there is no proof that he can easily cut him. Cut him sure. But he'd probably have to work to make meaningful cuts. Your Deadpool example is not at all applicable here, because X-24 does not have superheated claws.
Given Cage's strength and striking power, solid hits from him will send X-24 flying. An "easy" win is when someone can put their opponent down with minimal effort, in a very short space of time. X-24 does not enough feats to suggest he can do that against Cage, no matter how you try to spin it. Cage's strength, toughness, skill, intelligence, as well as his ability to keep fighting while severely injured, indicates that this would not be a short fight, and not one X-24 could win without going all out.
Logan and Creed had no lasting injuries against Barakapool, and he lost his head during that fight. So, using your logic, they "easily" won? But we both know that this is not true.
X-24 wins, but he will have to put some work in.
No one is beating anyone here with ease. Adamantium claws are not lightsabers. Remember that katanas were able to repeatedly block Wolverine's blows before breaking, and Cage is a lot more durable than a katana.
I do think that the claws will eventually cut Cage, but unless it's a direct hit delivered with full force then all he'll probably get is a bunch of flesh wounds, and X24 isn't going to just shrug off hits from Cage.
I actually think this can go either way, with a slight edge to X24 because of claws and healing factor. But I see Cage dominating the match earlier on.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cage would need to spend years of training with Danny and a perfect environment to stand a chance.
Cage may not be a master martial artist but he's still way more skilled than the wild brawler that X24 is. Heck, Wolverine ranks very low in a skill scale and yet he was outskilling X24 even though he was a grandpa.
And though X24 showed enhanced strength I don't think he can match Cage in pure strength.