Ranking These Sith Lords

Started by SunRazer4 pages

Sion's being undersold, for one. But I suspect NewGuy was joking, so I'm not gonna press it.

Being near Jinn is actually overselling him.

NewGuy said he was Sha'a Gi level.

And, well, you know where I rank Qui-Gon. 🙂

Yeah that was 1 joke, others had him at Jinn and even Ventress level, which is f-ucking hilarious.

Which is why my earlier post was directed at NewGuy.

But seeing as most people have Qui-Gon at near-shit tier, I don't think it's a stretch for them to put Sion alongside him.

Qui-Gon should be B-Team level, imho.
Sion isn't close.

And the person that said Sion ~ Ventress was AP, so...

Sion dying to random Jedi repeatedly isn't exactly a mark of an exceptional duelist or Force user, tbh.

Sion embarks on a Jedi-assassination spree,"dying" many more times, but always ending more enemy lives.

-KotOR Campign guide

The Jedi of the era are all excellent warriors and Sion's skills would increase constantly.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Qui-Gon should be B-Team level, imho.
Sion isn't close.

Qui Gon should be entry level B-Team.
Sion isn't close, yeah.

The notion that Saesee Tiin>/=Qui-Gon is absolute nonsense.

Not at all. He seems to be around Kit and Agen's level, which more than justifies ranking him in Qui-Gon's ballpark.

Yeh, Fisto, Tiin and Agen are all relative peers to each other and that's enough to place one ahead of Jinn, imho.

Based on what are they peers? Simply because Tiin was chosen by Mace doesn't mean he's comparable to Kit and Agen; it just means he's better than anyone else currently at the Temple.

Originally posted by Azronger

Sion dying to random Jedi repeatedly isn't exactly a mark of an exceptional duelist or Force user, tbh.

Sion embarks on a Jedi-assassination spree,"dying" many more times, but always ending more enemy lives.

-KotOR Campign guide

True. Each death fuels his rage more, so I suppose he becomes stronger with each death as well as more tactical. We're talking battle tested Jedi who had a looser opinion on the use of Dark Side powers and were known to use them to survive.

More seriously,

Sion, without regeneration, would be a little above Inquisitor level IMO. He could handle the majority of Jedi, but would be no match for a top-class master like Jinn. Who, in many ways, is a far greater Jedi than Agen, Kit, or Saesee for the record.

Nihilus is tougher; vast power is obviously necessary to ravage a planet and lift a cruiser, and he has a lot of impressive hype, but he's also an vegetable. I'd say he's on the same playing field as the ancient Sith Lords, but he's not a master of the game like them, if that makes sense.

True. Each death fuels his rage more, so I suppose he becomes stronger with each death as well as more tactical. We're talking battle tested Jedi who had a looser opinion on the use of Dark Side powers and were known to use them to survive. [/B]

I doubt he became more tactical if he kept dying constantly. Stronger - possibly.

Originally posted by Azronger
I doubt he became more tactical if he kept dying constantly. Stronger - possibly.

Reasonably since the weaker Jedi were taken down by the Sith Triumvirate Assassins, Sion would go for the more heavy of the Jedi hitters. I expect them to be stronger, and stronger as the toughest continue to be the last to remain. *shrug* but that's my conjecture though. Seems like (from the text) that each death also has him killing many more:

""dying" many more times, but always ending many more enemy lives"
-Star Wars KOTOR Campaign Guide

Again, *shrug* I don't have enough evidence to make a solid claim about it.

Sion claims that he's "as strong as before" when he rises up again.

However, this is all only a better way to wank the Jedi Masters of this era, given that Sion from 45 years prior to this, before he discovered his "immortality" or learned at either the Korriban or Trayus Academies, was regularly cutting down "experts in lightsaber and Force-related combat". Given that after all of those improvements I listed, he was still falling to individual Jedi (and possibly with the aid of his assassins), we can infer that the Council members are actually very skilled and powerful. Which is fitting given that they're among the "highest of Jedi Masters" and "most skilled of Force wielders".

Originally posted by SunRazer
Sion claims that he's "as strong as before" when he rises up again.

However, this is all only a better way to wank the Jedi Masters of this era, given that Sion from 45 years prior to this, before he discovered his "immortality" or learned at either the Korriban or Trayus Academies, was regularly cutting down "experts in lightsaber and Force-related combat". Given that after all of those improvements I listed, he was still falling to individual Jedi (and possibly with the aid of his assassins), we can infer that the Council members are actually very skilled and powerful. Which is fitting given that they're among the "highest of Jedi Masters" and "most skilled of Force wielders".

True. Sion is a veteran of the Kun War, and I'm sure he killed a grip during the Jedi Civil War.

Yep. We just have a nice powerscaling chain now:

Vrook/Zez/Atris > Kavar > random JCW survivors > KotOR II Sion > Exar Kun War Sion > experts in lightsaber and Force-related combat.