Ranking These Sith Lords

Which means they're noticeably above average. 👆

Average being the upper bracket of Force users that we deal with, yeah. Overall? As I said, they're factually some of the most powerful and skilled in history.

All in all, better than the shit tier that most people put them in, lol.

Depends what you have as sh!t tier, honestly. They're all prolly Aayla Secura level, or something. 🙂

She matched Vos. That's honestly higher than most people have them.

Did she really, though?

And yeah, it is higher than most, I guess.

IIRC, she did.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yep. We just have a nice powerscaling chain now:

Vrook/Zez/Atris > Kavar > random JCW survivors > KotOR II Sion > Exar Kun War Sion > experts in lightsaber and Force-related combat.

I think most people already had this powerscaling chain.

Why are Vrook and co. above Kavar?

Canderous claimed they thought he'd face Kavar in the Mando Wars, 'the famed Jedi guardian', implying he would've been the next best thing after Revan. At least that's how I interpreted it. He may have been talking about tactics and not individual prowess, though.

That's because Canderous only knows Kavar from fame, not personally.

The KotOR II prima guide claims that Kavar isn't as much of a lightsaber virtuoso as the other Masters that you've met (ie. Vrook, Atris, Zez-Kai Ell).

Strange, considering he's the one who uses the most complex lightsaber form, lol. I mean if the prima guide claims it then fine, it's just a little weird.

Originally posted by Petrus
Strange, considering he's the one who uses the most complex lightsaber form, lol. I mean if the prima guide claims it then fine, it's just a little weird.

That and he's a Jedi Guardian, those that focus primarily on blade and martial combat constantly whenever they have free time. So yes, very weird.

It's even nonsensical, actually.

Originally posted by Petrus
It's even nonsensical, actually.

Maybe, but Kavar has more for him being a primary duelist than the rest. Infact as I recall he's the only one shown using his blades in combat too cutscene wise.

Originally posted by Petrus
It's even nonsensical, actually.

Considering that contradicts the game itself, wouldn't that be considered secondary at best and overruled? I meant that this part specifically is contradicted by the game: if the Exile is a Jedi Guardian, he refers to you as being part of the same group of specialized Jedi Knights as him; and seeing as he's the one that teaches the Exile/Meetra the seventh form/Juyo, which is restricted only to the most advanced and capable duelists going by other sides like Jedi vs Sith, and he's the "famed Jedi Guardian", the implications are he's the Windu of the Jedi Order during the war.

I mean its like saying from that source Windu "isn't as noted for his dueling skills but makes up for it with his Force powers" is kind of wonky given what we know about him; same applies for Kavar.

Actually, you're right. That's enough to overrule the notion that Atris, Zez and Vrook > Kavar.

Welp Kenobi > Yoda in sabers, after all.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Welp Kenobi > Yoda in sabers, after all.

? Where's that coming from? Yoda is better.

Because using the classifications of Consulars vs Guardians to state it's nonsensical for Vrook, Atris and Zez-kai Ell to be canonically better duelists than Kavar is entirely contradicted by PT era duelists, who aren't the combative prime of the Jedi Order. Canonically, the TOTJ-KOTOR era is.

Feats for Yoda or Kenobi that match beating Fodder Sith?

Except it's not just the classification as Ravage pointed out.