Exar Kun vs Darth Caedus

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Thank god for that lmao.

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Originally posted by Emperordmb
cuck

since when is "concession accepted" ant's schtick? he only started using it to emulate intrepid tbh.

I'd be interested in evidence that indicates Ragnos's position owes entirely to strength and not merely partially.

Strength, power and strategy, evidentally.

It'd be disingenuous to assert otherwise when gou could use the same logic against Valkorion/Sidious.

I wonder if AP has a full grasp over the word "entirely."

You must be this thick or you wouldn't make such an evident fool of yourself this consistently.

Obviously no such quote exists, but we use what we have and what we have is enough. What major Dark Lord ever ruled impressively without using strategy?

Right, so you accept that Ragnos' status owes itself not just to strength, but several other factors as well? Cool.

Just like Sidious and Valkorion did, yep.

Yeah, Palpatine being the greatest of all Sith isn't necessarily because he's the most powerful in the Force, though he is that too. 👆

EDIT: Though interestingly, the source on Marka Ragnos being the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith is the Chronicles of the Old Republic, which covers events all the way up to KOTOR II, so I guess by your reading Ragnos > Exar Kun, Revan, Nadd etc. as well. mmm

Lol the entries run in chronological order.

Beni takes another L.

Ah yes, and that is relevant because?

If a book was written on the history of US presidents (in chronological order) and claimed in the opening chapter George Washington was the United States' greatest president. Would I to take it that the author only wrote that because he was the first? 😂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, so you accept that Ragnos' status owes itself not just to strength, but several other factors as well? Cool.

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I'll take lazy debating over dishonest debating any day.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ah yes, and that is relevant because?

If a book was written on the history of US presidents (in chronological order) and claimed in the opening chapter George Washington was the United States' greatest president. Would I to take it that the author only wrote that because he was the first? 😂

Because each entry is present tense. 😬 Even so COTOR gets retconned by far more up to date and canonical sources such as TCSWE or TNEC.

You've got no argument.

So what lol. The perspective of the author still covers a period that extends well after Ragnos. But sure, the only source that so much as suggests Ragnos is was the most powerful pre-Nadd is outdated and inaccurate. 😂

It being old doesn't invalidate it entirely, not that your 'interpretation' is remotely valid.

Nah, just this particular quote apparently kek.

Or perhaps it hasn't, as it wasn't referring to Force power exclusively to begin with, as evidenced from the contradictory conclusions that would create, and an explicit source that describes his status as product of a multitude of factors. mmm

I think we're done here AP, how about I give you a few weeks to muster up a better argument and we'll come back to it. 👆

Power and Strength being two of the three primary factors. 😬

I knew we were done here the moment your foul presence entered the thread. 👆

Not that this even matters when Exar Kun's feats surpass Caedus' feats.

Having the endurance to tank an Ossus-amped Ood Bnar Force attack and walking it off moments later? Check.

Shrugging off the Sever Force attempt of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy before one-shotting him? Check.

Mentally controlling every tracker in Cinnagar, which consists of millions of ships being tracked simultaneously on three of the biggest trade routes in the galaxy? Check.

Being far more powerful than the Spirit of Freedon Nadd who gave King Ommin the power to one-shot Nomi Sunrider telepathically, dominate millions of Iziz citizens, overwhelm and dominate Arca Jeth and drain the entire Jedi group of their Force powers whilst corrupting the entirety of Onderon as an effect of such powers? Check.

Dominating tens of thousands of Senators whilst dominating Vodo Siosk-Baas with his remaining reserves of Dark Side power so much the second most powerful Jedi in the galaxy didn't stand a chance? Check.

Being so vastly beyond a Jedi Ulic, who whilst massively hindered nigh-blitzed an amped Dark Jedi Warrior in Warb Null, who can normally react almost as fast as thought.

Being vastly more powerful than the amped Spirit of Freedon Nadd who can one-shot Vodo Siosk-Baas with telepathy from the other side of the galaxy.

Being far more powerful than Marka Ragnos who is nigh-invulnerable in combat.

Being far more powerful than Ajunta Pall who could dominate and enthrall the entire Sith species.

Being far more powerful than Karness Muur who was canonically more powerful than either Vong Krayt or 19BBY Vader.

Being more powerful than pre-Revan Vitiate, prior to most of his power growth.

The list goes on and Caedus isn't winning.