Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carol would decimate an entire horde of orange-shirted fish-men.
Sure, none of them being Aquaman in the suit. Carol physically wasn't even to impressive strength wise when she was beating around Grulk. Most of her better feats are as Binary or Capt. Marvel.
@Carver I wouldn't call modern Simon out of Ionic form to impressive.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carol would decimate an entire horde of orange-shirted fish-men.
Please, don't derail threads.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I didn't even know how to respond to "Mantis" I honestly assumed he thought Aquaman was Marvel or something and then it clicked, and I'm assuming it's a reading/writing issue with his.....computer.
Were you here for the fan-art thing? That was funny as ****.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Probably wasn't, doesn't sound familiar.Rebirth Aquaman got a tp feat btw thought youd be interested in hearing about that. Has some context to it though.
Aquaman stabbing Darkseid in the N52 Justice League was dismissed by Carter as fanart when it was posted. I'm not kissing.
Oh? What issue?
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Sure, none of them being Aquaman in the suit. Carol physically wasn't even to impressive strength wise when she was beating around Grulk. Most of her better feats are as Binary or Capt. Marvel.@Carver I wouldn't call modern Simon out of Ionic form to impressive.
Wonderman got his best strength ft during that fight against Grey Hulk (the guy tossed a pyramid).
Carol didn't beat Grey Hulk though. By the way, Carol doing anything to Hulk>>>>>the scans I posted of Aquaman.
There's a point when lows are consistent and when their not. What your doing is bringing up one offs with lack off context.
The Manta and Grulk instances have context. Simon out of Ionic form had trouble with Carol Pre-Cru upgrade. Modern day Simon isn't weak but there's a difference when he's not Ionic compared to when he is.
I brought up 5-6 different characters Grulk has struggled with who are physically inferior to Aquaman. You brought up one instance Aquaman operated lower with disregarding.
Given your comments on Aquaman I know it's due to lack of education on the character, so no worries.
Originally posted by carver9
Look who brought up lows to try to prove Aquaman could beat Grey. It sure wasn't me.
No you just brought up Aquaman lows to prove Grey wins. Stones and glass houses, Carter.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman #19 he read the minds of an entire city, it has context though.
Ah cool.
Originally posted by carver9You're using Fixit's best stuff so it even out
Look who brought up lows to try to prove Aquaman could beat Grey. It sure wasn't me.
Originally posted by carver9
Grey Hulk throws around pyramids and destroys objects twice the size of Earth. Tank punches from She Hulk while standing in one spot and over power Wonderman. 80 tons is laughable.
Originally posted by carver9
Aquaman got destroyed by Mantis as well. So I guess that means Grey Hulk 1 punch ko him. Grey Hulk has even trashed Abomination and Super Skrull. Walked through High Evolutionary blast. He has top tier fts tbh.
Aquaman.
Black Manta fights are inconsequential, since Grey Hulk is in no way similar to the former. He doesn't have the piercing weapons, agility or combat skill - which is what keeps him in the fight against Arthur.
Grey Hulk is a slow brute. Aquaman has been portrayed as near Wonder Woman and near Hercules. This version of Hulk is not there.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Aquaman.Black Manta fights are inconsequential, since Grey Hulk is in no way similar to the former. He doesn't have the piercing weapons, agility or combat skill - which is what keeps him in the fight against Arthur.
Grey Hulk is a slow brute. Aquaman has been portrayed as near Wonder Woman and near Hercules. This version of Hulk is not there.
I was actually trying to think of it yesterday, but for the life of me I couldn't remember. Was there ever a reveal as to where Manta gets his equipment? I mean, the energy helmet is one thing, but weapons that can straight up stab him when his muscles will stop bullets?
Or does the suit amp him in the new 52?
Originally posted by -Pr-Aquaman just has a 'selective' durability - kind of like Wonder Woman/Thor used to have with piercing stuff while being much better with blunt force. I mean, Johns Aquaman could clearly be scratched by bullets, and he made a point of it to show that twice, while at the same time could go for punches with Diana. There's also instances where they just hurt, without scratching, so take that as you may.
I was actually trying to think of it yesterday, but for the life of me I couldn't remember. Was there ever a reveal as to where Manta gets his equipment? I mean, the energy helmet is one thing, but weapons that can straight up stab him when his muscles will stop bullets?Or does the suit amp him in the new 52?
As for Black Manta, the suit is basically highly durable with advanced weaponry. If you think of him, imo, as Cyclops/Black Panther merger-ish, that's exactly what he is. Or Deathstroke, they even fought:
I don't believe there's any proof his harpoons, or his knife, have any kryptonite-like weakness as far as Arthur is concerned. Clearly they were designed in order for him to fight Aquaman, but I don't believe there are any special properties.
Originally posted by -Pr-Aquaman stabbing Darkseid in the N52 Justice League was dismissed by Carter as fanart when it was posted. I'm not kissing.
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I'm going to forget everything I've read about Freudian slips because, if this ISN'T a typo, I'm SURE I don't want to think about what this implies ...
Originally posted by Philosophía
Aquaman just has a 'selective' durability - kind of like Wonder Woman/Thor used to have with piercing stuff while being much better with blunt force. I mean, Johns Aquaman could clearly be scratched by bullets, and he made a point of it to show that twice, while at the same time could go for punches with Diana. There's also instances where they just hurt, without scratching, so take that as you may.As for Black Manta, the suit is basically highly durable with advanced weaponry. If you think of him, imo, as Cyclops/Black Panther merger-ish, that's exactly what he is. Or Deathstroke, they even fought:
I don't believe there's any proof his harpoons, or his knife, have any kryptonite-like weakness as far as Arthur is concerned. Clearly they were designed in order for him to fight Aquaman, but I don't believe there are any special properties.
You pretty much just said what I had been thinking this whole time. It's just that when I saw the knife go deeper than bullets have gone, it occurred to me that I might have forgotten something.
Really wish they'd be a tad more consistent with him.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😕I'm going to forget everything I've read about Freudian slips because, if this ISN'T a typo, I'm SURE I don't want to think about what this implies ...
Well, Carver has been sending me those harassing PMs...
@Philo
I honestly don't even think Manta makes much sense as a villain for Aquaman in regards to how he combats him.
Physically it's clearly onesided and writers for some reason have them go hth. He's the most consistent low end fight Aquaman has.
But like you said there's context.
Manta's suit is able to take extreme pressures. One of the biggest Aquaman writers ala Johns had Manta take Punches from Mazahs after he took Johnny Quick's powers
http://m.imgur.com/Qanr7ze
And he was able to take the force of the ocean crashing down on him in tidal wave.
http://m.imgur.com/a/BoKxf
Black Panther/Cyclops is exactly where I'd put him.
I think Pre-Flashpoint his blades were made of Promethium but I could be wrong. No idea what they are now, but his gear is designed to combat specifically Aquaman and their fights are still onesided and usually end or approach an end on Aquaman's terms.
I'd argue Arthur is a peer to Diana. New52 wise atleast she has more impressive showings in a fight capacity, but physically I think he's done more than her in this new continuity.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You pretty much just said what I had been thinking this whole time. It's just that when I saw the knife go deeper than bullets have gone, it occurred to me that I might have forgotten something.Really wish they'd be a tad more consistent with him.
I think they wish to shy away from the 'brick with invulnerability' stuff, so as not to limit the type of fights they can put him in. I mean, if you give him 'true invulnerability' (oxymoron, but whatever), like Superman, Captain Marvel and whatnot, it would render villains like Black Manta redundant.
It's kind of like Hulk can take Mjolnir head on, but can also be cut by Wolverine. It allows for a wider range of opponents to be fought. You can put Aquaman against Black Manta, Deathstroke, Catman [yes, I know] and at the same time against Wonder Woman, J'onn and whatnot, and still be able to write the fight properly in each case.
Makes for better stories, if not for better versus forum arguing.
I basically just differentiate between blunt and sharp attacks, since there's quite a bit of precedence in comics, and it's easier to debate.