Darth Nihilus vs. UnuThul

1. Force
2. Sabers
3. All-Out

UnU shatters his mind

Ah; but can he drain planetz?

I wonder if Telepathy would even work on Nihilus.

Not sure. Drain and TP could both win this....
UnU rapes in 'sabers, tho.

What TP feats does Nihilus have?

None. Aside from being too dangerous for Traya to deal with all on her own.

'Thul has no answer for drain - Nihilus dust' him.

Nah; I'm pretty sure Raynar's out of Traya's league now.

Even though I was the one who initially voted for Nihilus.

Being above Traya isn't enough to best Nihilus, lmao.

'Thul has zero answers to drain --- meaning --- he will be lose a respectable portion of his Force reserves, the minute the battle begins. Let's also factor in that he is inferior in everything aside from TP, and 'sabers, with the latter not even mattering much here.

You can argue TP, but how well will that work on a Sith essence that is pure instinctual is another discussion entirely.

TP is unlikely to work on Nihilus.

Yeah, it may depend on TP; I could feasibly see Nihilus being dominated because he's a weak-willed vegetable, but it's also possible that it won't work at all.

Otherwise, this is a pretty good fight. Two novices who have a boatload of strength in the Force'n all. Never can tell where Nihilus is concerned, though, so I won't comment further.

Well, excessive use of Drain is supposed to subsume anyone's identity, so it's not exactly a mark against Nihilus.

Nihilus is a formidable telepath in his own right. He is able to push visions into other's heads, is cited as having notable Telepathic Influence and Telepathic Visions. Given his power level (multiple planets worth of power), UnuThul's TP isn't going to win the day here.

Additionally being in Nihilus' Aura, UnuThul isn't going to be able to draw on more Force Power than he goes into the fight with, and the sudden feeling is going to shock him long enough to be drained.

Originally posted by Miko Hacksaw
Nihilus is a formidable telepath in his own right. He is able to push visions into other's heads, is cited as having notable Telepathic Influence and Telepathic Visions. Given his power level (multiple planets worth of power), UnuThul's TP isn't going to win the day here.

Additionally being in Nihilus' Aura, UnuThul isn't going to be able to draw on more Force Power than he goes into the fight with, and the sudden feeling is going to shock him long enough to be drained.

"Multiple planets worth of power" - Care to back this up with anything? To my knowledge he only drained one planet at a time.

Originally posted by Azronger
"Multiple planets worth of power" - Care to back this up with anything? To my knowledge he only drained one planet at a time.

I'm not saying multiple at once, I'm saying multiple altogether.

Before he puts his spirit in his armor:

"However, as Nihilus greedily consumes entire planets' life energy, the dark side macerates him even faster."
-The Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

This is pre-Katarr, and that's plural possessive. He had already consumed at least two planets before Katarr, and if we stopped there, Katarr would make it 3 planets total.

In the game Kreia notes this while looking at the Holographic map on the Ebon Hawk with the Disciple:

Enough. What did you see in the web of worlds that have died? What did you see when you saw it through the Force?
-Kreia, KOTOR 2

As common sense, we know there are more than three points to a "web" in an ideological sense. A "string" could be 3-6. but a "web" indicates multiples beyond three.

His power grew with each additional planet he consumed.

There's also TCSWE claiming that Nihilus fed on numerous worlds that he blasted into ruin, although TCSWE does get some information on KotOR II drastically wrong (doesn't mean the entire source is invalid, though).

Darth Nihilus solidly

Originally posted by Miko Hacksaw
Nihilus is a formidable telepath in his own right. He is able to push visions into other's heads, is cited as having notable Telepathic Influence and Telepathic Visions. Given his power level (multiple planets worth of power), UnuThul's TP isn't going to win the day here.

Additionally being in Nihilus' Aura, UnuThul isn't going to be able to draw on more Force Power than he goes into the fight with, and the sudden feeling is going to shock him long enough to be drained.

Historically, draining a victim doesn't mean you add that victim's entire Force power to your own; far from it, in fact. So Nihilus draining several planets does not endow him with multiple planets' worth of power, especially given that there is no constant or set standard for how the Force power of an entire planet. For instance, the Devastation of Katarr no doubt offered far greater yields than Nihilus feeding off some random other planet.

Thul's TP is far more likely to fail than Nihilus' drain. So I'll side with the latter.

That said:

Originally posted by SunRazer
Historically, draining a victim doesn't mean you add that victim's entire Force power to your own; far from it, in fact. So Nihilus draining several planets does not endow him with multiple planets' worth of power, especially given that there is no constant or set standard for how the Force power of an entire planet. For instance, the Devastation of Katarr no doubt offered far greater yields than Nihilus feeding off some random other planet.