Darth Malak vs. Kit Fisto (Sabers only)

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Darth Malak vs. Kit Fisto (Sabers only)

Unamped Malak

Fight takes place on neutral terrain

Fista

Lol.

Malak.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
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Can't even spell the dude's name right. 😂

Unlike you I did it deliberately 🙂

Without relying on Drew's contradicted claim about Malak being better with a blade than Revan, he's actually rather wanting in feats and accolades. Kit being among the best of the Order at its peak and humbling post-AotC Obi-Wan is better than Malak overwhelming Bastila and ambiguously giving Darth Revan a "desperate fight". I try to scale Malak up holistically but I don't really think I can rank him past Kit as a swordsman.

Kisto

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
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Originally posted by SunRazer
Without relying on Drew's contradicted claim about Malak being better with a blade than Revan, he's actually rather wanting in feats and accolades. Kit being among the best of the Order at its peak and humbling post-AotC Obi-Wan is better than Malak overwhelming Bastila and ambiguously giving Darth Revan a "desperate fight". I try to scale Malak up holistically but I don't really think I can rank him past Kit as a swordsman.

I'd say that him being far more powerful than Fisto on top of his position as DLotS and the premier warrior of his era outside of Revan puts him above Fisto, myself.

Being DLotS doesn't mean shit. The rest of the Sith in the Empire were shit-tier.

His power edge is all that he has going for him, but it's not all that much. And whilst the warriors of the KotOR era are definitely underrated, Kit's better than pretty much any of them bar Revan as well.

To be honest, in terms of skill accolades, they be more or less in the same level.

Apart from Drew's accolade, what does Malak have on par with Kit? I'm genuinely interested to know.

Fighting possibly on par against Darth Revan. The estabilishment of Jedi Malak (along with Revan) as the "foremost heroes of this era (kotor)". Considered to have battle prowess compared to Revan's tactical skills.

Most of these accolades are far before his prime, so I fail to see what kind of distinct advantage Kit has over him.

On par with Darth Revan based on what? Based on being stomped by Mandalore where Revan beat Mandalore, or based on losing a jaw to Darth Revan's blade?

By fighting Revan in a "desperate" duel. The suggestion is that it wasn't an easy victory earned by Revan. Additionaly, there's no indication that their "final battle" only relied on lightsaber clashes.

On the case of Mandalore, yes, it was a low showing but, based on the comics, he apparently charged recklessly and was more a case of poor tactical decision than a definitive lack of skill. This is further substantiated by the fact Revan always was known to be the "tactical mind" of the duo. Think more along the lines of AotC Anakin being trashed by Dooku's lightning.

The quote being in an article about Malak implies that it was desperate on Malak's end more than anything else. Although "desperate" just means an extremely violent or dangerous situation. Doesn't necessarily mean that Revan was pushed to the brink, although I admit that he could've been. Regardless, a version of Revan that's unlikely to be much more powerful than Darth Revan beat Malak under horrific circumstances, so that's very unlikely to be the case.

That's fair, but still doesn't reflect well on Alek's record.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The quote being in an article about Malak implies that it was desperate on Malak's end more than anything else. Although "desperate" just means an extremely violent or dangerous situation. Doesn't necessarily mean that Revan was pushed to the brink, although I admit that he could've been. Regardless, a version of Revan that's unlikely to be much more powerful than Darth Revan beat Malak under horrific circumstances, so that's very unlikely to be the case.

If it was dangerous, that means the fight wasn't totally in control of Revan and, consequentially, Malak provided a good challenge. On their last meeting on the Star Forge, Revan had some dinstict advantages despite all his disadvantages: He was naturally more powerful and we don't know exactly how the amped Malak compares to Revan in power only; he was still the superior tactician; he had exotic knowledge, like Echani precognition among many others. So, in terms of pure skill, isn't impossible for Malak to be relatively close to Revan.

That's fair, but still doesn't reflect well on Alek's record.

Taking a barbarian giant axe to the chest is most EMBARASSING, yeah. 🙂

Given his amnesia, he would've been lacking in most of those traits you mentioned. And the fact that the fight was dangerous proves only that Darth Revan couldn't effortlessly stomp Malak; any fight more difficult than that would technically be "dangerous".

Revan was a master lightsaber duelist, and even Malak is technically a better duelist than Revan.

Sure, Fisto is good with a lightsaber, and could take on Grievous and AotC Kenobi, though I highly doubt these accolades give him the credentials to face down Malak, notwithstanding Form I's weakness in single combat. On top of this, Malak could be seen as using Form II in his personal style, which is interpreted from KoTOR, and is also a direct weakness to Form I. Plus, although both have a lot of war experience, Malak would have a lot more experience fencing against other force wielders.

Why are people keep bringing up the same old bullshit about Fisto's Shii-Cho is beyond me. The dude beat Kenobi and Grievous, both are among the absolute elite duelists of the history of Star Wars, he blitzed Magnaguards, and was picked by Mace to figh a guy who was presumed to be Dooku++.