Avengers enemies vs X-Men enemies

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
By the way: EMP...

Electromagnetic Pulse....

Future Sentinels are immune to magnetism and are techno-organic...

Good luck taking them out with a EMP...

Magneto's metal powers don't affect them. That doesn't mean it automatically makes their machine elements (which are plainly visible when a piece of the one's outer armour gets blown away) immune to an EMP. The Electromagnetic spectrum goes beyond Ferromagnetism. With an EMP, it's not the magnetic field that does the damage, it's the electrical energy spike.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Magneto's metal powers don't affect them. That doesn't mean it automatically makes their machine elements (which are plainly visible when a piece of the one's outer armour gets blown away) immune to an EMP. The Electromagnetic spectrum goes beyond Ferromagnetism

Well, we know for a fact that they are immune to magnetism...its stated directly in the story.

What the story gives us beats your speculation that a EMP might work...

Originally posted by Silent Master
5000 Leviathans are going to be hard to deal with, especially with Ultron hacking the Sentinels.

I guess Magneto ignores the vast amount of metal his opponents possess...eh?

And they really have no answer for Apoc...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well, we know for a fact that they are immune to magnetism...its stated directly in the story.

What the story gives us beats your speculation that a EMP might work...

So, you don't actually understand how an EMP works? Okay.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I guess Magneto ignores the vast amount of metal his opponents possess...eh?

And they really have no answer for Apoc...

When has Magneto ever been able to handle over 10,000 individual opponents at the same time, while shielding himself?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, you don't actually understand how an EMP works? Okay.

I know exactly how it works, and based on what the story gives us the Future Sentinels should be immune to the effects of one..

Originally posted by Silent Master
When has Magneto ever been able to handle over 10,000 individual opponents at the same time, while shielding himself?

Magneto has demonstrated planetary level magnetic manipulation during the last Xmen movie...

Take that as you will...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Magneto has demonstrated planetary level magnetic manipulation during the last Xmen movie...

Take that as you will...

You didn't answer my question. plus once Ultron hacks the Sentinels, they will adapt to Magento and Apoc's powers and then it's them vs Loki, Ulton Prime, 5000 drones, 5000 Leviathans and 10000 Sentinels(that have their powers).

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I know exactly how it works, and based on what the story gives us the Future Sentinels should be immune to the effects of one..

Clearly you don't. Seeing as immunity to magnetism doesn't make something immune to electrical spikes. If you did, you would also know that EMP energy can also be transferred via EM radiation, conduction, or plain electrical fields. Not just magnetic fields. Even a lightning bolt is a form of EMP.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You didn't answer my question. plus once Ultron hacks the Sentinels, they will adapt to Magento and Apoc's powers and then it's them vs Loki, Ulton Prime, 5000 drones, 5000 Leviathans and 10000 Sentinels(that have their powers).

Not to mention it took Magneto a couple of minutes to start affecting the entire planet. As powerful as his max output is (which is pretty damn powerful), he can't bring all of it to bear very quickly. And we don't know how good his shields really are. Quicksilver pushing on them a bit and then giving up is the extent to which they have been tested in combat. They might be able to take an extended beating from the Hulk, or they might collapse after one hard punch.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not to mention it took Magneto a couple of minutes to start affecting the entire planet. As powerful as his max output is (which [B]is pretty damn powerful), he can't bring all of it to bear very quickly. And we don't know how good his shields really are. Quicksilver pushing on them a bit and then giving up is the extent to which they have been tested in combat. They might be able to take an extended beating from the Hulk, or they might collapse after one hard punch. [/B]

That was my next question, if his shields had any feats of standing up to a few thousand Ultron drones, Leviathans and Sentinels hitting it with everything they have.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Magneto has demonstrated planetary level magnetic manipulation during the last Xmen movie...

Take that as you will...

True, but he also took a pretty long time to get to that state. He won't be able to pull something like that off in the middle of a fight.

Couldn't Magneto and Apoc win without the future sentinels.

- Mags throws shield/forcefield up
- Apoc throws shield/forcefield up
- Mags makes Ultron and his clones into whatever metal shape he desires and uses them as projectiles against the chitauri.
- Mags and Apoc use magnetism/matter manipulation to finish off chitauri and kill/bury/incapacitate Loki however they need to.

Adding in TEN THOUSAND future sentinels is overkill beyond overkill.

Will they be able to do all that when Ultron has hacked the Sentinels and sed Sentinels have adapted to their powers?

Double post time:

Vault, King, and Froth make some good points though. If Mags' shield doesn't hold up to an extended chitauri beating, and he or Apoc can't quickdraw metal/metter manipulate Ultron's drones and the chitauri into a massive destruction collision, Mags maybe goes down. However, Apoc and future sentinels are still there to obliterate.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Double post time:

Vault, King, and Froth make some good points though. If Mags' shield doesn't hold up to an extended chitauri beating, and he or Apoc can't quickdraw metal/metter manipulate Ultron's drones and the chitauri into a massive destruction collision, Mags maybe goes down. However, Apoc and future sentinels are still there to obliterate.

Only the Sentinels are on MCU's side and have adapted to Apoc's powers.

Sorry Silent, I think I meant to credit you as well with the point about the massive amounts of force from the Chitauri possibly overloading Mags' shield. To your next point:

Originally posted by Silent Master
Will they be able to do all that when Ultron has hacked the Sentinels and sed Sentinels have adapted to their powers?

That's actually a game-over scenario for Mags and Apoc IMO: if Ultron can mass-hack the future sentinels, that should be a wrap. Perhaps Magneto can still throw Ultron bits and pieces around at disintegration speed, and Apoc can turn them into dust, merge them with the earth, etc.

In a hacking scenario, I'll ask:
- Can future sentinels adapt to Apoc's powers?
- Can force fields from Mags and Apoc hold up long enough to lay waste with Mags' super magnetism feats and Apoc's matter manipulation?

Also, could Loki teleport/use his hologram trickery to get inside Magneto's force field or get close enough to Magneto or Apoc before a shield goes up to take one of them down?

Why dont you add the Destroyer to team Avengers

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only the Sentinels are on MCU's side and have adapted to Apoc's powers.