Originally posted by Silent MasterAnd what would you say to someone who would like to see the immensely powerful national government helping more people worldwide, but who has very limited resources themselves? They make enough for rent and a modestly furnished home, a functioning car, health insurance, decently nutritious food, and some pleasurable amenities. Nothing extravagant or lavish, but little else in terms of savings or retirement plans. If their car craps out now, they're gonna be in a bind to afford the repairs--plus risk losing their job if they're late for or miss work because of it.
I agree that we can and should help people, both as individuals and as a country, my problem lies with the people who do nothing but cry and complain about the government not doing enough.As for money not being able to solve a lot of our problems, that's true. but it can solve some of them.
Or say they get injured or sick, and the medical bills drain whatever was in their savings, and now they're in debt? Someone getting by alright, but just alright. But they still like the idea of the mighty United States Government doing more to help the billions of people who are worse off than him. This guy's not even asking for universal healthcare coverage for himself, but he is a fan of every child getting a full education in developing nations.
Do you tell him to shut the f*ck up?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And what would you say to someone who would like to see the immensely powerful national government helping more people worldwide, but who has very limited resources themselves? They make enough for rent and a modestly furnished home, a functioning car, health insurance, decently nutritious food, and some pleasurable amenities. Nothing extravagant or lavish, but little else in terms of savings or retirement plans. If their car craps out now, they're gonna be in a bind to afford the repairs--plus risk losing their job if they're late for or miss work because of it.Or say they get injured or sick, and the medical bills drain whatever was in their savings, and now they're in debt? Someone getting by alright, but just alright. But they still like the idea of the mighty United States Government doing more to help the billions of people who are worse off than him. This guy's not even asking for universal healthcare coverage for himself, but he is a fan of every child getting a full education in developing nations.
Do you tell him to shut the f*ck up?
I'm not going to hold not helping against someone if it's physically impossible for them to help.
Originally posted by carthageYes, everybody here is a jobless rich making up excuses. You caught us, sorry.
Gotta love the guys who preach that they know what the government should be doing, but type out essays on making excuses why they can't contribute to causes they proselytize others for not investing in.
Not at all if you really cared about what you're talking about, rather than just saying "WELL GUYS WE NEED TO ALL BAND TOGETHER TO FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO THE WORK WE'RE TOO LAZY TO DO" rather than actually donating money/resources to the countless NGOS/charities that provide aid to Africa, then you're a ****ing hypocrite. Simple as that.
Originally posted by carthageDid you read my long-winded essay? Not for a second do I think that NGOs or charities can do what the power of western governments can. This isn't just a matter of giving money, it's not that simple. If it was, those problems would be long gone by now.
Not at all if you really cared about what you're talking about, rather than just saying "WELL GUYS WE NEED TO ALL BAND TOGETHER TO FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO THE WORK WE'RE TOO LAZY TO DO" rather than actually donating money/resources to the countless NGOS/charities that provide aid to Africa, then you're a ****ing hypocrite. Simple as that.
All these nations that need our help, have a tendency to have limited infrastructure and institutions needed to provide a decent standard of living. Most of the worst-off people on the planet are rural agriculture labourers. There's no roads or network of support like we take for granted here. Weak, inefficient, corrupt central governments. Overly powerful militaries with mercenary-like loyalty to a strongman dictator who pays their way in exchange for their lethal support.
Throw as much money from private citizens or western governments as you want at those countries, you only make the Samuel Does of the world stronger by giving him the billions he needs to empower his essential backers. These autocrats already wring everything they can out of their country's natural resources and people, and keep them weak, malnourished, illiterate, and uneducated to prevent them from being a threat. They take their labour and their meager incomes for themselves and their cronies. No amount of aid money or debt forgiveness gets ride of those men, only real, intense, concerted demands from the Western powers have ever made a difference in the policies of these nations.
Not charity money.