Rip Netherlands ~ Wilders Loses!

Started by aalyasecura955 pages

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's not demonizing everyone to say that current immigration policies in Germany and Sweden are clearly detrimental to the countries themselves and their citizens when pointing out crime statistics. There's a difference between saying "**** all of those filthy ****ing brown people" and "crime and sexual assault are rising due to mass immigration, this isn't grounds to say all immigrants are terrible but we should consider a stricter immigration policy.
you are acting under the assumption that all racism and demonization is out in the open and explicitly said with vile language. but racism means any sort of discrimination or singling out a group of people. that's why trump's campaign was considered racist. he may have tried to mask his racism against people like mexicans by saying "but some are some good people". but that doesn't make what is said any better. the same goes for the muslim ban. acknowledging that not all muslims are bad means nothing if you are going to ban them all from coming into the country and say things which are clearly racist and are implying that muslims are more violent or whatever.

like i understand controlling borders but we shouldn't act like natives of countries don't commit crimes like rape as well and act like immigration is sole cause of the problems we face. if some immigrants commit crimes then hire more police. if immigrants are taking up housing then build more houses.

Originally posted by aalyasecura95
you are acting under the assumption that all racism and demonization is out in the open and explicitly said with vile language. but racism means any sort of discrimination or singling out a group of people. that's why trump's campaign was considered racist. he may have tried to mask his racism against people like mexicans by saying "but some are some good people". but that doesn't make what is said any better. the same goes for the muslim ban. acknowledging that not all muslims are bad means nothing if you are going to ban them all from coming into the country and say things which are clearly racist and are implying that muslims are more violent or whatever.

like i understand controlling borders but we shouldn't act like natives of countries don't commit crimes like rape as well and act like immigration is sole cause of the problems we face. if some immigrants commit crimes then hire more police. if immigrants are taking up housing then build more houses.

I agree with you for the most part, but it works both ways. If you notice an alarming trend with an immigrant group, should you not take actions to fix the problem without everyone screaming racism?

I do not agree with a full ban on muslim people, or any group for that matter, but it's pretty clear that a more stringent policy is needed. The number of attacks in Europe over the last few years should be unacceptable.

Originally posted by socool8520
If you notice an alarming trend with an immigrant group, should you not take actions to fix the problem without everyone screaming racism?.

This country is really no longer the sane and rational type of place for some things.

So no lol..some will say the answer to your question is no.

Originally posted by aalyasecura95
um has it ever occurred to you that everything is not all the fault of immigrants??? they just come to are countries in search of a better life and that is not wrong. if you were in their position then you would want to come to europe or america. the immigrants are not the problem. the problem are the racists who reject them and demonize them and the governments which don't try to help them.

So okay, I never said everything is the fault of immigrants.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And nah the mob of rapists on the 2015-2016 New Year wasn't a hoax, but a diner claiming they had a crowd of people sexually assaulting people in the 2016-2017 New Year was a hoax. You're mixing up incidents.

Also remember the reports of the government even covering up the amount of rapes? That is shady as hell.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also remember the reports of the government even covering up the amount of rapes? That is shady as hell.

Yeah that was insane.

This is unfortunate. I like Wilders. For some stupid reason, the Dutch seem to think that allowing a population of barbarians to live among them is a good idea.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah that was insane.

Then I'm also kinda disturbed that Sweden seems to more or less be refusing to say exactly *who* was responsible for the recent riot.

If things are hunky dory why try to cover stuff up?

Originally posted by socool8520
I agree with you for the most part, but it works both ways. If you notice an alarming trend with an immigrant group, should you not take actions to fix the problem without everyone screaming racism?

I do not agree with a full ban on muslim people, or any group for that matter, but it's pretty clear that a more stringent policy is needed. The number of attacks in Europe over the last few years should be unacceptable.

well i do actually agree to an extent. clearly we need to keep violent people out. but i'm just saying that talk over immigration can easily slip into racism without most people realizing it. the reality with immigration is that some bad people will always slip through and we have to accept that and not try to act as if we are inherently better and immigrants are inherently worse. there is a crisis going on right now and america and other countries need to help and accept far more refugees instead of finding every excuse not to.

and yes we must stop attacks but keep in mind that the far right greatly exaggerates them. it is always a tiny minority of immigrants who commit these crimes and the natives of countries commit serious crimes as well.

Originally posted by Surtur
So okay, I never said everything is the fault of immigrants.
well the way you worded it made it sound like you were labelling immigration in general as a problem.

Originally posted by aalyasecura95
there is a crisis going on right now and america and other countries need to help and accept far more refugees

Why? If we have a chance to help out 10,000 refugees or 10,000 American citizens that are homeless, who should we help out? For the purposes of this hypothetical the answer of "both" is not acceptable.

and yes we must stop attacks but keep in mind that the far right greatly exaggerates them. it is always a tiny minority of immigrants who commit these crimes and the natives of countries commit serious crimes as well.

The "far right" exaggerates them? Okay, and was it the far right that chose to try to cover up the true number of rapes? Was that a far right plot, in your opinion?

If that wasn't a "far right" decision, what was it?

well the way you worded it made it sound like you were labelling immigration in general as a problem.

Immigration in general *is* a problem when you let in a massive flood of people like they did lol. Do not confuse that with saying every problem in Europe is being blamed on immigrants. Please do not also call it racism to suggest that massive amounts of unvetted people should not be allowed to flood into a country.

Originally posted by Surtur
Why?
uh because we are human beings??? you can't just let innocent refugees suffer when you can help them. that is a disgrace.

If we have a chance to help out 10,000 refugees or 10,000 American citizens that are homeless, who should we help out? For the purposes of this hypothetical the answer of "both" is not acceptable.

"both" IS an acceptable answer. america is the richest country in the world and can definitely afford it. your hero trump just abolished an agency to help homeless people and increased military spending massively. the government has its priorities wrong that is why america still has poverty.

The "far right" exaggerates them? Okay, and was it the far right that chose to try to cover up the true number of rapes? Was that a far right plot, in your opinion?

If that wasn't a "far right" decision, what was it?

yes the far right does exaggerate them. that is why we have hoaxes about attacks when they haven't actually happened.

and it was wrong for governments to lie about figures but it is somewhat understandable because the far right will do anything to bash immigrants and nitpick stuff to support there agenda. the far right are far more dangerous to the stability of nations than refugees who just want a better life for the most part and don't want to die in warzones. but yes the government should be more open and honest but keep in mind they would be dealing with it behind the scenes anyway. and the far right isn't in a place to lecture to other people about twisting things. "alternative facts" comes to mind.

Immigration in general *is* a problem when you let in a massive flood of people like they did lol. Do not confuse that with saying every problem in Europe is being blamed on immigrants. Please do not also call it racism to suggest that massive amounts of unvetted people should not be allowed to flood into a country.
well there are a lot of people that need to be taken in and helped so that is just the reality of the situation. if we don't help many innocents will die. however i agree that we need to make sure there is some vetting in place but we need to be taking in many more refugees. germany took in almost a million refugees whereas america took in very few by comparison. that is a disgrace. america should be taking more than germany. although clearly we need to expand our police force to deal with the small number of bad people that might slip through. but remember we are no better than they are and a vast majority of refugees just want to be safe.

So what exactly are you doing to help these innocent refugees?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So what exactly are you doing to help these innocent refugees?
spreading awareness so that people wake up to the fact that the government could easily end this problem but chooses to build guns and tanks instead. as well as combating the stereotypes and myths surrounding refugees and promoting an tolerant attitude of the other cultures. a refugee crisis on this scale can only be solved by our governments and large groups of people pressuring them to do something.

I mean then again Robtard allows other men bang his wife, but what bearing does that have on this, right?

Lots of butthurt this Friday. Oh conservatives...

TGIB

Originally posted by Robtard
Lots of butthurt this Friday. Oh conservatives...

Rob, is this your way of telling us you're secretly conservative?

Umm, I am conservative, sport. I'm fiscally conservative(remember my talk about government leeches?). I'm just not a retarded bigot, silly of you to blanket.

Originally posted by Robtard
Umm, I am conservative, sport. I'm fiscally conservative(remember my talk about government leeches?). I'm just not a retarded bigot, silly of you to blanket.

I know, only a bigot would blanket 🙁

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
maybe when all is said and done, trump will have served the noble purpose of preventing a populist takeover in europe. hopefully the trend will continue and la pen will suffer an equally humiliating defeat.

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