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Originally posted by Surtur
Discriminating on one based on culture is racism, interesting.

Do you feel all cultures are created equal? As in, no cultures in the history of time and space have had practices that were morally reprehensible?

Originally posted by aalyasecura95
well what i'm saying is that no culture is perfect and all have their drawbacks. you have the capacity to do bad things no matter what culture you come from. therefore it is wrong to discriminate solely based on it and act like our culture are superior to everyone elses.

Okay so not a single word you just typed answered what I asked.

Let me try a different approach. You say no culture is perfect, this is true. Are all cultures equally imperfect, though?

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so not a single word you just typed answered what I asked.

Let me try a different approach. You say no culture is perfect, this is true. Are all cultures equally imperfect, though?

Yeah, like cultures that practice genital mutilation. We should just accept that and be tolerant of their "different" way of life. Let's get real just for a second, there are cultures out there that are horrible and oppressive, and we should not tolerate them; in fact, we should denounce them and harshly.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yeah, like cultures that practice genital mutilation. We should just accept that and be tolerant of their "different" way of life. Let's get real just for a second, there are cultures out there that are horrible and oppressive, and we should not tolerate them; in fact, we should denounce them and harshly.

But it's wrong cuz muh culture.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yeah, like cultures that practice genital mutilation. We should just accept that and be tolerant of their "different" way of life. Let's get real just for a second, there are cultures out there that are horrible and oppressive, and we should not tolerate them; in fact, we should denounce them and harshly.

Denouncing certain aspects is one thing and separate then blanket condemnations. Let me use and example:

How some Islamic countries treat homosexuals is not acceptable, that doesn't mean that the entire Islamic culture is terrible. Iran apparently has a revered-like approach to its seniors/elders; that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'd like to think that when I'm old and can't do for myself, the government would rather assist me for my years of tax paying rather than see me as a burden better marginalized.

Originally posted by aalyasecura95
well agreed with the first thing you said but discriminating against people based on the culture they come from is racism.

Again, it’s not. Race is purely genetic, and discriminating against someone because of it is senseless. Culture, on the other hand, is a tangible part of someone’s identity. For example, hypothetically speaking, if someone was born and raised in a tribe of cannibals in Africa, being mistrusting of them based on that knowledge wouldn’t be racist. After all, the reason you’d be discriminating against them wouldn’t be because they’re black, but because they’re from a culture where murdering people and eating them is considered acceptable.

An example of racism would be assuming that someone is a cannibal because their skin is black, and treating them thusly. But that’s not what we’re talking about; people here aren’t talking about purging brown people, they’re talking about barring entry from high-risk countries.

Because when you discriminate someone because of their culture you are saying that they are inferior because of where they come from which is directly linked to race or at least most of the time.

Back up, there. First of all, discriminating against someone isn’t necessarily saying they’re inferior humans, it just means you’re treating them differently for some reason or another. Secondly, as I said before, regardless of whether it’s right or wrong, discriminating against someone because of the environment they came from is not racism. The fact that race and nationality happen to be correlated doesn’t make them the same thing, they have individual significance.

a non-racist view is that all cultures have their positives and negatives and western culture is no better than the culture of the muslim people or asians or whatever.

In a sense I’d say you’re right, objectively there’s really no such thing as good or evil, but as a practical argument this just falls flat. Talk all you want about all cultures being equal, but I’m damn sure you’re not eager to move to Syria right now, and there’s a reason for that. It's not a nice place at the moment, and there’s a lot of not-nice people around that people don’t want here. It’s not rocket science.

Originally posted by Robtard
Denouncing certain aspects is one thing and separate then blanket condemnations. Let me use and example:

How some Islamic countries treat homosexuals is not acceptable, that doesn't mean that the entire Islamic culture is terrible. Iran apparently has a revered-like approach to its seniors/elders; that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'd like to think that when I'm old and can't do for myself, the government would rather assist me for my years of tax paying rather than see me as a burden better marginalized.

So while I agree that there are good aspects(even ones we could learn from) of, say, Iranian culture, to me it's ultimately like thinking that getting cancer isn't so so bad because you'll get a nice, comfy bed at the hospital and three square meals a day.