Originally posted by SunRazer
This is Lachris, not the Wrath. On what basis is Lachris a match for the Wrath? Certainly nothing mentioned in the post that I was responding to, which is why I said "none of that puts her on par with Atris".What does Surik have to do with anything? She'd beat Lachris easily as well.
Your silly quizzical faces are insubstantial substitutes for genuine arguments. Show a few actual points, or piss off.
1. Literally no accolades above Kavar there. I know you won't believe me so I'll direct you to a respect thread: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/vrook-kavar-and-zez-kai-ell-respect-thread/97853/
2. In the Prima Guide. Just read this: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/atris-respect-thread/97873/
3. lol @ pretending that each member of the Dark Council is equally powerful. But I mean, Lachris showed she wasn't even close to being a match for a member of the Dark Council either. A hindered Meetra at least briefly kept up with an amped Nyriss; Lachris was insta-stomped by Marr on even ground. Your logic is not only spectacularly flawed but also turned out to be a spectacular fail.
4. Who are "these guys"? Obviously I wouldn't put Atris on par with Marr, but above Lachris, whom Marr one-shotted? Nothing wrong with that at all. The only evidence you've managed to procure for Lachris are ones that don't even match Kavar. I mean, seriously, you could ascribe that stuff to a padawan. And the absence of showings on her part hasn't escaped me either.
Let's be honest; your argument is literally just a veiled version of "Lachris is from TOR, and Atris/Brianna from KotOR II; obviously Lachris is stronger cuz I LIKE TOR MORE!!!!".
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Literally no accolades above Kavar there.
"It is a great technique that you have learned. Gifted only to the highest of Jedi Masters – and the Sith – this technique makes your Force powers more difficult to resist… and they will last longer as well. But it can tire you quickly. Use it only in short combats, where expediency is necessary."
NOTE: Ambiguity here.
A deep understanding of the Force is a must, for a Jedi Master is able to unlock powerful secrets that few Jedi even dream of comprehending.
NOTE: Isn't this in reference to Jedi Master Ood Bnar?
Kavar isn't as much of a lightsaber virtuoso as the other Jedi masters you've met, but he makes up for this with his extremely potent Force powers.
NOTE: Something quantifiable here. And unfortunately it does not bodes well for Kavar as a duelist.
"Regardless.... it had to be done. To have such powerful Jedi still live, still be felt in the Force even on dead worlds as they had chosen, was a threat that had to be ended."
NOTE: And then Darth Traya proceeds to one-shot them all. 🙄
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So much for the hype you were gloating about.
Kavar is an example of over-glorified mooks in the grand scheme of things, as I pointed out to you earlier. Take heed.
Originally posted by SunRazer
2. In the Prima Guide. Just read this: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/atris-respect-thread/97873/
Originally posted by SunRazer
3. lol @ pretending that each member of the Dark Council is equally powerful. But I mean, Lachris showed she wasn't even close to being a match for a member of the Dark Council either. A hindered Meetra at least briefly kept up with an amped Nyriss; Lachris was insta-stomped by Marr.
Darth Marr [might be] substantially stronger than (even) Darth Nyriss. It is [also possible] that Darth Lachris became more powerful after her clash with Darth Marr. What we know so far is that it took Barsen'thor III to bring her down and the former's showings in various instances TRUMP those of Kavar and Atris.
Surik's powers did not diminish there; I take your assumption with a grain of salt in that.
Anyhow, Atris's superiority over Kavar and Brianna doesn't establish her as being superior to Darth Lachris. Unfortunately for you, Kavar and Brianna are over-glorified mooks in the grand scheme of things.
Originally posted by SunRazer
4. Who is "these guys"? Obviously I wouldn't put Atris on par with Marr, but above Lachris, whom Marr one-shotted? Nothing wrong with that at all. The only evidence you've managed to procure for Lachris are ones that don't even match Kavar.I know you won't believe me so again, I'll direct you to a respect thread: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/vrook-kavar-and-zez-kai-ell-respect-thread/97853/
Barsen'thor III >>>> Atris
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Your argument is flawed since the beginning. You should not try to use accolades to one-up a character over the other because they DO NOT address ambiguities in the comparison.
https://youtu.be/cc3No8790Q0?t=1551
I'll contemplate responding tomorrow. But I'm considering just giving up. All you're doing is running around calling KotOR II characters "overglorified mooks" and playing down everything they have when you can't produce anything to compare for Lachris, and then cite people way above Lachris as people that would beat the KotOR II characters. Like, there's no actual argument anywhere. How on earth does citing people above Lachris do anything to help Lachris' case? And then you want to think that Surik wasn't hindered at all on Dromund Kaas. Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by SunRazer
https://youtu.be/cc3No8790Q0?t=1551I'll contemplate responding tomorrow. But I'm considering just giving up. All you're doing is running around calling KotOR II characters "overglorified mooks" and playing down everything they have when you can't produce anything to compare for Lachris, and then cite people way above Lachris as people that would beat the KotOR II characters. Like, there's no actual argument anywhere. How on earth does citing people above Lachris do anything to help Lachris' case? And then you want to think that Surik wasn't hindered at all on Dromund Kaas. Jesus Christ.
1. Kavar [has] hype to his name but he was literally FODDER to a powerful Sith Lord (in Darth Traya) in single combat. What should I make of this?
2. Atris's superiority over Kavar [in dueling skills?] doesn't tells us much about them either because Kavar is not renowned for his dueling skills in the first place. For all we know, Darth Traya might stomp Atris in a duel too.
3. Brianna being able to contend with Atris for a short while - doesn't tells us much about both of them in the first place even when the latter is hyped as a master swordsman independently. Quantifiably, both are firmly below Surik and FODDER to Darth Traya. Kavar changes nothing in this case.
It is really stupid to argue (Brianna > Darth Lachris) in the first place. You are trying to take advantage of ambiguity in the story of Darth Lachris to cheapen her.
HERE is a PERSPECTIVE that should have crossed your MIND:
1. You do not become a Sith in the Empire easily; you need to be really strong or cunning in order to succeed in the trials. Many perish in these trials.
2. You not only passed the trials but you were good enough to draw attention of Darth Marr - one of the greatest members of the Dark Council - and he considered you for apprenticeship. What does this tells us? That you might be a standout among the graduates.
3. Darth Marr hones your already formidable skills to perfection with passage of time and you eventually earn the title of DARTH (the highest rank you can achieve in the Empire; evidence of your excellence in strength and skill-set). At one point, he decides to test your skills and you turn out to be no match for him, but this doesn't takes away from your formidable history (Few would have the strength to contend with Darth Marr anyways, don't you think?). Nonetheless, you partake in the battlefield and prove your mettle there; any better way to do that? You might have routed entire contingents of Republic forces and killed a number of well-trained Jedi and such.
4. One fine day, you meet your match in Barsen'thor III whose powers are extraordinary and who is also renowned for stopping one of the greatest threats to the galaxy earlier. Your loss cannot be held against you in this case because this guy would humiliate like 99% of individuals in single combat.
Now, what we can tell about Darth Lachris? That she was among the standouts of her time and the benchmark to [decisively] defeat her is Darth Marr (among Sith) and/or Barsen'thor III (among Jedi). Both of them are stupendously powerful individuals. Atris, Kavar and Brianna are like kids in comparison to them.
Not much, but I wouldn't boast about Brianna being on the same TIER as Darth Lachris. Utterly idiotic.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Good enough for PhD studies, KID.I have a question for you though? What have you accomplished in life?
So, around 80, then. I suspected as much.
My accomplishments in life include offering aid to those in need and being a beacon of happiness for my friends and family. Nothing too grandiose but still relevant on the small scale 👆
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Brianna > Darth Lachris? Fantastic. 🙄Darth Lachris was among the strongest Sith of her time, with history of great success in the battlefield until she met the Emperor's Wrath.
Brianna is just a glorified Echani trainee of little consequence to the story of KoTOR II and the war of her time.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Jedi Master Atris = Emperor's Wrath now? 🙄Never mind the fact Meetra Surik handed Atris's @ss back to her, in a duel after that.
D.... Do you not know the plot of SWTOR at all?
There's still no argument, lmfao. It's literally just "the people who have beaten Barsen'thor (including one who's one-shotted/blitzed her) are above the names you mentioned. And Lachris is good for her time, so obviously she's stronger than Brianna".
Oh, I forgot the pretense that Lachris would be anything but fodder to Traya, hence why the Masters being fodder to her was supposed to be something bad on their part or something instead of it being a good feat for Traya. Classic example of having a predetermined notion of a character's abilities and simply scaling everyone down from that instead of moving the character up accordingly.
I mean, let's review LeG's "argument" here:
1. She passed the trials.
2. She became a Darth.
3. She lost to the Barsen'thor and Marr, and since they're so good that obviously means she's good also.
I'm kind of at a loss as to how you can spin this into something impressive for her. The first two are things that thousands of Sith have managed, and the last isn't a ****ing feat. Jesus Christ.
Yeah, and then there's her being "a powerful Sith Lord". Something each of the Sith on Malachor V in K2 could've claimed. Seriously, with a few minutes of research I managed to find a better accolade for Lachris (and perhaps the only one that isn't painfully generic).