Originally posted by Rockydonovang
No they aren't:
"The actual duel is very short, how did you come to the conclusion it had to come this way?...(feloni) If you talk to a lot of people who sword fight, they'll tell you people who are very good don't have long fights. So that scene, its a homage to the 7th samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see a prolonged lightsaber fight. But I just never really saw the confrontation that way because to do that is to say the characters don't have growth "The "characters don't have growth" part isn't even needed here given the context of the quote.
The quote refers both to maul and kenobi and shows both have progressed from their tcw selves.
So Ahsoka and Maul still turn fisto into fishfood
Maul and ahsoka aren't 7's.. Fisto gets stomped
Here's my reasoning why Maul would win:
Kit Fisto is a Form I specialist, which is weak in single combat. Maul is a master of multiple forms, and he specialised in Form VII. A Form VII practitioner is implied to have mastered multiple forms since mastery of multiple forms is required for the study of Form VII.
Fisto does have one advantage rewarded to him by the perks of his chosen form: Shii-Cho is good with dealing against multiple opponents. This would help him immensely in combating Maul's double-bladed lightsaber, which nullifies that advantage. But I don't think it gives Fisto an advantage over Maul necessarily.
The only successful lightsaber fight Fisto had was against Grievous, and even that was because of Form I's excellence in dealing with multiple foes (Grievous employed four lightsabers). Plus Fisto had the aid of another lightsaber.
Since Fisto employed Jar-Kai duel blade fencing quite effectively alongside Form I, we can assume he had basic knowledge/study in other forms, but he is not stated in any source to have mastery or reasonable studies in any other form besides Form I. Note that the effectiveness of his application of Jar Kai was against multiple foes, which again applies to his form of choice.
A Form I specialist, no matter how skilled he is in the form, can never contend with a Form VII specialist in a pure lightsaber duel.
Therefore, Maul would exploit Form I's weakness in single combat, and Fisto would really have no response. Plus Fisto really doesn't have any throwback force abilities that could really toss up Maul.
Maul wins.
The notion that any form's weaknesses can simply never be overcome no matter how good the user is is blatantly false. Dooku, Yoda, etc. all overcame the weaknesses of their forms. Shortly after AotC, Kit Fisto humbled Obi-Wan in a spar, and Obi-Wan was using Ataru, a form which is built around single combat with another lightsaber duelist.
Sorry, I meant that Form I is extremely weak against Form VII in general. I doubt Kit Fisto was so advanced as to nullify this weakness against Maul.
You are correct though, I'm typing all my points up pretty quickly since I'm at TAFE. For example Yoda used Ataru as his main form and still pwned Dooku, despite Dooku not only having experience vsing Yoda alongside Dooku claiming to know every weakness of the form.
Fisto only beat grevious when he was injured btw
Prior to that it took fisto+nadhar vebb "giving it all they had" to "hold off grevious" despite being hindered by the enviroment they fought in
I'd check this out:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/star-wars-misconceptions-kit-fisto-vs-general-grie/129533/
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Fisto only beat grevious when he was injured btw
Prior to that it took fisto+nadhar vebb "giving it all they had" to "hold off grevious" despite being hindered by the enviroment they fought inI'd check this out:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/star-wars-misconceptions-kit-fisto-vs-general-grie/129533/
True. Maul wins I think.