Defenders vs. Agents of SHIELD

Defenders:

Daredevil
Ironfist
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage

Agents of SHIELD:

Melinda May
Ward (human Ward)
Daisy Johnson
Director Mace (fully powered) - if you're not familiar with Director Mace, substitute Deathlok

Round 1: Combatants are in standard gear and are fighting to the death
Round 2: Pure h2h fight, combatants are fighting in street clothes. Ironfist is only allowed to use his chi-fist if Quake is allowed to use her powers. Otheriwse, pure h2h and no power channeling.

This is an extremely difficult fight to call. The teams are pretty well balanced in terms of overall skill and damage output. For now, I am leaning towards the SHIELD team, because they are experienced working with each other, and we have yet to see how the Defenders operate as a team.

Daisy is the only one on Shield that would pose any problems. Defenders win.

Originally posted by tkitna
Daisy is the only one on Shield that would pose any problems. Defenders win.

You really don't think Director Mace poses a problem even if he can stop an SUV in its tracks? And May and Ward are both fighters at least equal to DD.

Mace might be strong but he is a really shit fighter. It was shown that without his powers he is basically fodder to any skilled combatant.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Mace might be strong but he is a really shit fighter. It was shown that without his powers he is basically fodder to any skilled combatant.

True but I'd still put him over JJ in a fight.

Luke beats the Patriot, DD & Ironfist beats Ward and May. Quake beats JJ and is tripled team, but takes out DD and Danny However, that distraction and Luke's invulnerability will protect him long enough to get one solid hit in. Defenders win

Originally posted by FrothByte
True but I'd still put him over JJ in a fight.

Yeah, but I see him getting his ass kicked quite thoroughly by Luke. Daisy is SHIELD's only really good shot of putting Luke down, if she really goes hard at him with her powers. Jessica's role would pretty much be to keep someone busy while the rest of her team try and put down SHIELD members.

Iron Fist is the wildcard here, IMO. Despite the crappy choreography, his skill level is strongly implied throughout the show, given the various opponents he fights and defeats, and the Iron Fist could potentially incapacitate at least 3 out of the 4 members of Team SHIELD if he lands a clean hit. On the flip side, Danny seems to get hurt more easily than Daredevil does, so the members on Team SHIELD could definitely do some damage if they got hits in.

Luke Cage soloes to be honest

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
[b]Luke Cage soloes to be honest [/B]

Or... Daisy spams the entire Defenders team with quakes and takes out everyone except Cage, then Cage gets quadruple teamed.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, but I see him getting his ass kicked quite thoroughly by Luke. Daisy is SHIELD's only really good shot of putting Luke down, if she really goes hard at him with her powers. Jessica's role would pretty much be to keep someone busy while the rest of her team try and put down SHIELD members.

Iron Fist is the wildcard here, IMO. Despite the crappy choreography, his skill level is strongly implied throughout the show, given the various opponents he fights and defeats, and the Iron Fist could potentially incapacitate at least 3 out of the 4 members of Team SHIELD if he lands a clean hit. On the flip side, Danny seems to get hurt more easily than Daredevil does, so the members on Team SHIELD could definitely do some damage if they got hits in.

Mace was trading blows with Ghost Rider and none of them seemed like they were going down anytime soon. That's some pretty high end durability. When Cage fought superpowered opponents he always seemed to get hurt by those hits. So I wouldn't discount Mace that easily. Not saying he actually wins against Cage but I doubt Cage will have an easy time with him.

I think the real ace card here is Daisy, as she can hit the entire Defenders team with her shockwaves and take out 3 of the 4 of them on her own. That's why in round 2 I limited it to street clothes so Daisy is limited on how much she can shockwave since she'll be without her bracers.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Luke beats the Patriot, DD & Ironfist beats Ward and May. Quake beats JJ and is tripled team, but takes out DD and Danny However, that distraction and Luke's invulnerability will protect him long enough to get one solid hit in. Defenders win

Fair enough. I'd argue though that Daisy can probably beat JJ faster than Luke, DD and Ironfist can beat their respective opponents.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Mace was trading blows with Ghost Rider and none of them seemed like they were going down anytime soon. That's some pretty high end durability. When Cage fought superpowered opponents he always seemed to get hurt by those hits. So I wouldn't discount Mace that easily. Not saying he actually wins against Cage but I doubt Cage will have an easy time with him.

Mace looked like he was barely conscious when Ghost Rider stopped hitting him. He didn't even last a full minute before other people had to get Robbie to stand down and, other than the toss at the beginning, we only see him land a single hit. Fight starts around the 1:30 mark.

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Luke took a far more extensive beating from Diamondback, and walked away from that fight not that much worse for wear.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think the real ace card here is Daisy, as she can hit the entire Defenders team with her shockwaves and take out 3 of the 4 of them on her own.

If Danny does an area groundslam with the Iron Fist, he could do similar.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Mace looked like he was barely conscious when Ghost Rider stopped hitting him. He didn't even last a full minute before other people had to get Robbie to stand down and, other than the toss at the beginning, we only see him land a single hit. Fight starts around the 1:30 mark.

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Luke took a far more extensive beating from Diamondback, and walked away from that fight not that much worse for wear.

If Danny does an area groundslam with the Iron Fist, he could do similar.

Seems I remembered that fight incorrectly. I stand corrected. Guess I should have stuck with Deathlok instead of Mace. But I felt that Deathlok was too heavily armed. Though in hindsight, Ghost Rider would probably have been a better melee match for Cage.

As for Ironfist, I haven't gotten far enough into the series to see him do groundslams. Can he do them as easily and as often as Daisy does her shockwaves?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Seems I remembered that fight incorrectly. I stand corrected. Guess I should have stuck with Deathlok instead of Mace. But I felt that Deathlok was too heavily armed. Though in hindsight, Ghost Rider would probably have been a better melee match for Cage.

Yeah, Mace has been rather underwhelming overall. I honestly expected, and hoped, for more. Ghost Rider vs Luke in pure H2H would be a looooooooooooooong ass battle. Full powerset I would go with Ghost Rider though, seeing as his flames are magical, and "burn right down to the soul" or something along those lines.

Originally posted by FrothByte

As for Ironfist, I haven't gotten far enough into the series to see him do groundslams. Can he do them as easily and as often as Daisy does her shockwaves?

Well, he doesn't use his full power very often. But the instance in which he did a groundslam he did it pretty much instantly, with maybe a second's build up. And he had used the Fist shortly before that, and also used it again shortly after (to deflect a bullet), so it doesn't completely drain him either.

I see DD throwing a bill club in Daisys face to take her down. I dont see the Defenders having to much of an issue here.

Originally posted by tkitna
I see DD throwing a bill club in Daisys face to take her down. I dont see the Defenders having to much of an issue here.

I think you underestimate just how good at fighting the SHIELD agents are. Both May and Skye have fought against superpowered opponents and done fairly well. That's something that DD has never done IIRC.

Unless DD times that throw perfectly, Daisy can easily deflect his club.

This seems like a pretty tough battle for either side with Luke and Daisy being the ace of their respective teams.

R2 would pose a challenge given that Luke could take out everyone except possibly Mace with a solid hit. Also while supposedly powerful, Danny doesn't seem like something that would cause May or Ward that much of a problem or rather any more of a problem than Jessica.

Ultimately I think the Agents take R1 but not entirely sure on R2.

DD is capable of ricocheting his club. Daisy might not even see it coming once he realizes the air distortions or however he sees them are coming from her hands.

I'd say Danny is above May and Ward, a good fight for him, but above them as he is the Iron Fist and a titular character. For example, it was off-screen, but he did fight Shao-Lao. And he can rapidfire the IF off if he feels like it, so a normal punch could turn into a fisting instantly. He's also used it to break limbs by blocking a punch/kick with his.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think you underestimate just how good at fighting the SHIELD agents are. Both May and Skye have fought against superpowered opponents and done fairly well. That's something that DD has never done IIRC.

Unless DD times that throw perfectly, Daisy can easily deflect his club.

I don't remember them being all that impressive. I think May and Ward are the low characters on the totem pole here to be honest. Again, Daisy is the only one that I can see the Defenders having to worry about. They take her out and it should be over shortly after.