Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) I wouldnt say it was established. You brought it up as an idea, but that would be a very different story. And they basically already went over the top with time travel shenanigans bringing Middle Aged John Connor to any convenient time in the last one.2) Or... Maybe it just Fit the Story. Would really help if you actually watched a movie before criticising it. Ive noticed with this most the critics have just read the spoilers, which is not the best way to judge.
3) Hmm. I see your point. Although like I said it was an unexpected plot twist. It is interesting though no one complained about killing off Sarah Connor off screen for Terminators 3 & 4. Was that not sexist? What about replacing T-1000 with that laughable T-X?
1-I know you're not arguing the only way to go was either reboot or woke character replacement...right?
2-The woke character fit the story cuz they wrote it so the woke character fits the story.
3-And nobody complained about 3 and 4 because(especially in 3) this was before people had gone utterly batshit insane with obsessing over every gender and sexuality and counting how many men and women and black and white people are in a movie. Make no mistake: if this movie had Sarah killed off 5 minutes in? There would be complaining.
Oh and wouldn't you say it's likely Sarah was killed off in 3 because the actress wasn't willing to participate in the movie? It wasn't that they had her available and just decided to snuff her out real quick and replace her. If they had done that you could compare it, but that isn't what happened.
Originally posted by Psychotron
People shit on Salvation because it was trash. A proper future war movie would have been great, but we got some transformers garbage and Sam Worthington instead.
Which Salvation was leading up to, it was the start of a new trilogy showcasing the future war, far better than just one movie.
Originally posted by SurturOnly the "anti women" people seemed obsessed Surt, they post far longer tirades far more often across the web.
1-I know you're not arguing the only way to go was reboot or woke character replacement...right?2-The woke character fit the story cuz they wrote it so the woke character fits the story.
3-And nobody complained about 3 and 4 because(especially in 3) this was before people had gone utterly batshit insane with obsessing over every gender and sexuality and counting how many men and women and black and white people are in a movie. Make no mistake: if this movie had Sarah killed off 5 minutes in? There would be complaining.
Oh and it needs to be said being anti-woke isn't anti-women. It's just the unimaginative know they can use women to easily show wokeness.
Not only do they get the woke points, but there is this protection that comes built into the movie where white knights will attack any and all criticism of the movie as being sexist. If only these white knights were made aware: nobody is gonna f*ck them for defending Brie Larson or the new Star Wars movies on the internet. Womp womp.
Originally posted by steverules_2
I much prefer the idea of John having a daughter and raising her to be the leader of the resistance. Teaching her the things his mum taught him.
Not woke enough. Can it be a daughter he adopted from a small African country who is also disabled? We can get her a mech suit to use later on, which she will of course master within 3 minutes of first using it.
Originally posted by Surtur
1-I know you're not arguing the only way to go was either reboot or woke character replacement...right?2-The woke character fit the story cuz they wrote it so the woke character fits the story.
3-And nobody complained about 3 and 4 because(especially in 3) this was before people had gone utterly batshit insane with obsessing over every gender and sexuality and counting how many men and women and black and white people are in a movie. Make no mistake: if this movie had Sarah killed off 5 minutes in? There would be complaining.
1- John Connor wasnt replaced. He simply wasnt relevant to the new future and new story. His relevance in this timeline was lost when Skynet was erased. And again if Prime Ministers and Mayors and Chancellors can be changed to Women and Coloured people, then why not the defender of humanity? Why is this an issue? I just dont get it.
2- Kind of an unsubstantiated accusation here.
3- Kind of ironic. Because its only the anti-woke online movement who are going ape shit over this. Tell me is there an issue with increased representation in big budget movies?
Oh and it's about *why* you change the color of someone. If the best actor who auditioned for the job just happens to be black? Neat. That's not wokeness.
EDIT: For example, look at the latest Fantastic Four movie with a black human torch. If that was a case of "we auditioned tons of people, the best one just happened to be black" that isn't a woke choice. If, from the very beginning, they said "we're gonna cast a black guy as this traditionally white character" it's a woke choice.
And this isn't even just about women. I floated the idea of replacing Sarah with a father figure as a joke. Fact is it would be equally silly to bring her back and kill her off real quick and replace her with a male role model.
Originally posted by Surtur
1-For all intents and purposes he was replaced.2-So the character didn't fit into the story by design, but by accident? Neat.
3-Don't play the same pathetic games Bash and Putinbot play. Nobody is going "ape shit" over it. You're better than them, act like it 👆
1- Okay. I mean so was Luke with Rey in the ST. Of course that in itself isnt an issue as youve already agreed.
2- I feel like this is a no win scenario for you. Before there was a plot point tie in to the minority character, it was woke... Now that ive mentioned said plot point, its even more woke.
3- Like ive literally been seeing YouTube rants with people losing their shit. Why? Did you assume I was referring to you? I thought I was quite careful with my wording when I stated online.
Originally posted by Surtur
A)Oh and it's about *why* you change the color of someone. If the best actor who auditioned for the job just happens to be black? Neat. That's not wokeness.B)EDIT: For example, look at the latest Fantastic Four movie with a black human torch. If that was a case of "we auditioned tons of people, the best one just happened to be black" that isn't a woke choice. If, from the very beginning, they said "we're gonna cast a black guy as this traditionally white character" it's a woke choice.
C)And this isn't even just about women. I floated the idea of replacing Sarah with a father figure as a joke. Fact is it would be equally silly to bring her back and kill her off real quick and replace her with a male role model.
A) I disagree. I think story comes first, and then you audition according to the character you had mind for the story. Like you wouldnt audition white women to play Black Panther.
B) See above. Issue with the Human Torch change was it changed the characters history. As in right off the bat either him or his sister are adopted. But seriously that is at the bottom of the list of whats wrong with that film.
C) I think an epic on screen death is more respectful than an off screen one. And as I already mentioned, unless the character is supposed to be immortal, then killing them is not shitting on them as a character. As we know he was and always will be the no. 1 nemesis of Skynet.