Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it made him look good. It only furthers my position I always go with the facts. Thanks for proving I'm unbiased.
Kek, that wasn't even the point. You're arguing Maul is better than Kenobi overall, in his prime and especially as a character, but he's such a failure that by Rebels he's a broken, lost soul while Kenobi is at his mental and emotional prime. The fact that Kenobi progressed so much while Maul regressed proves who, in the end, was better overall. Does that hurt?
False. Vader was redeemed and he's the most famous Sith out there to the general public. People are free to make their own choices and Vader chose to be pulled back to the light for his son. Maul never left the dark. Boom.
Lel, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said and off the point completely. I said being 'petty and selfish' are qualities Sith have in general, so it's really nothing special that Maul also has them. Vader being redeemed has nothing to do with that, as my point still stands, and prior to being redeemed he was indeed selfish and petty.
I do hope you realize that all this means was Kenobi was in a great place mentally while Maul was in a terrible place mentally when they met up. Maul was at his worst. It's similar to Pippen beating Jordan today and acting as if that matters with regards to their physical primes decades ago. It doesn't.
Lmao, worst comparison ever, especially when you consider Maul isn't actually in a bad shape at all physically in Rebels, while Kenobi clearly has degraded physically by this point, as seen in ANH. And as usual, you ignore the rest of my arguments. Maul was also in a bad place mentally in S2, when he fought on par with Ahsoka and was destroying the Inqs. It's pretty clear that although broken, he was still an extremely capable fighter by Rebels, yet he was still easily defeated.
So you admit pushing an opponent back isn't indicative of superiority without a clear victory. Point refuted.
Okay, two things to note here:
1. The point was that even whilst mentally hindered, Anakin was able to put up a hell of a fight, whereas Maul did not.
2. In this case, Obi-Wan didn't just 'push Maul back', he destroyed him in three strikes. So I don't see where the 'pushing back' comparison is actually viable or relevant here.
His skills weren't well honed. He's still great but isn't actively dueling, is mentally in a bad place, and is physically a lot older. Kenobi didn't rely on his physical acumen to the same extent Maul did.
And what do you think Obi-Wan was doing in Tatooine? Honing his skills? Training in saber combat? Actively dueling against people? If you argue Maul's skills weren't honed because of those reasons, Kenobi's sure as hell weren't, either.
Quit acting like Maul was in shit form physically. He was clearly still in good shape, as proven by his fights in S2. Still acrobatic, still strong.
First gif is you basically ignoring Maul clearly winning the duel. He has Kenobi disarmed and hanging on to a ledge while completely at his mercy. Kenobi jumps up and catches him off guard not out of superior skill but due to the arrogance of maul. #contextmatters
Funny how you're the one saying 'context matters' when in our previous debates I always pointed out how you blatantly ignored context. Ironic.
Also, I'm not at all ignoring context. You were arguing Maul got the better of Kenobi a lot of times in the past. This gif shows a Kenobi also getting the better of Maul. Padawan Kenobi, btw. Yeah, Maul beat Padawan Kenobi and had him hanging on to a ledge. Are you seriously going to use that fight to prove a point? Kenobi was miles away from reaching his prime.
2nd gif and 3rd gif. You basically showed me gifs of Kenobi kicking them brothers. Who cares ? If I post a gif of Maul kicking Palpatine by your standards I guess I can falsely claim Maul was winning. You're a moron and ignore context at every turn. Maul force pushed Kenobi out of the vicinity for a clear win. Kenobi was unable to get back to him while he tended to his injured brother.
I showed you gifs of Kenobi fighting off Maul and his brother simultaneously. It's not about the kicks. If you really can't see that, you're the one ignoring context, not me.
Also, Palpatine was toying around with the brothers, dude. He could've ended that fight the moment it began. So your comparison is absolutely useless.
Also, Maul Force pushed Kenobi away to stop the fight, because his brother was injured, lol. Not a clear win at all. Kenobi didn't go back to him because a goddamn pile of rocks fell in front of them and couldn't even reach them anymore. He had the upper hand in that fight practically every second. Did you even watch that episode?
Kenobi was not psyched out or at his worst by any stretch of the imagination. Maul took he and his master on in phantom menace. I guess 2 on 1 only matters when it happens to Kenobi. Quit being a hypocrite.
Do you ****ing realize this is TPM Kenobi we're talking about? Padawan Kenobi? Yeah, Maul beat TPM Kenobi and Qui-Gon because he was indeed superior to both of them. Your point?
It was Filoni's words. Quit denying reality here. I embrace the facts you want to exaggerate or pretend Maul was at his best. He wasn't. Kenobi was better here in this duel not the prior ones where Maul is younger, more practiced, and in a better mental state.
Actually, I don't see much difference between Rebels Maul and TCW or SoD Maul. He was, after all, fighting on par with an Ahsoka that managed to fight Vader well enough, which meant Ahsoka had progressed significantly since her TCW days. Do you have evidence that shows the difference in power and skill between Rebels Maul and TCW/SoD Maul?
Maul at his best is better than Kenobi at his best.
Where's your evidence? Still haven't seen shit.