Cade Skywalker vs. Darth Malgus

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
What?! I'm saying that if it takes four people to stop Revan to take control of the Foundry, it doesn't mean it takes 4 people to to defeat HK, or that it takes 4 people to take down fodder droids in the flashpoint. I'm not understanding what's your point at all.

What prevents Malgus from fighting two teams, by the way? 🙂 The fact there are only four people there may simple be game mechanics, who knows. 🙂🙂🙂

Additionaly, the fact two teams are referred there gives more support to the team mode than the solo mode, regardless of TOR not having a canon story.

LMFAO. My comment about HK being difficult was a reply to Petrus, who considered him to be difficult to beat. So I never presumed myself to hold "authority on what is and what is not difficult."

You could've gone direct to the point and stated that you consider flashpoints to be completely game mechanics without any connection to the story at all.

I'm going to disagree with you, especially if the closest material to a "canon" we've states otherwise.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obviously it doesn't take four people to defeat droids. Why should it take four people to defeat Revan because of that fact? No reason whatsoever. Those two things do not connect. "He's super duper powerful" is also not an argument. You need an in story reason for any argument you make. Point blank.

My logic is quite the contrary actually: Just because it takes four people to take down Revan, it doesn't mean it takes four people to destroy the droids, including HK. Since you consider the composition of the strike teams indetermined on these flashpoints your problem isn't with my logic but with my assumption that strike team required four people.

No, being factually incorrect about a scenario in game does not lend credence. In my experience, being wrong actually does the opposite.

The only mistake it makes is to assume two teams fought him simultaneously. The fact you can fight him with these two teams and the encyclopedia references these same two teams, I'd say, gives strong evidence to the group theory.

The point is that HK "requires" a team in game for his fight. Revan "requires" a team in game for his fight. What logical reasoning are you making for a team being needed for one but not the other, when you are basing it solely on Revan being big, bad, and important? Nothing, really. Game mechanics are what make these two need teams to be faced. Game mechanics that both no longer require. Nothing in story says it takes a team, as opposed to SoR where it is said. This is not that hard to understand.

I'd suppose Foundry Revan also made reference to a team in the encyclopedia but I don't remember well. My remark about HK and Revan was based on that.

That's nice. Your disagreement isn't evidence within itself, however, nor does there being evidence make that evidence legitimate or your logic sound. You still have to actually make your point, and that point has to make sense.

If you consider the solo mechanics were added after the initial boot, that the encyclopedia references a team fought him (in Malgus' case at last) and that, by my own assumption, flashpoints could have the intent to represent great challenges, I Occam Razor towards the team theory.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You could also solo Malgus. Which Maybe we shouldn't use game mechanics as feats. Just a thought.

Not that they did. Or would have.

For the record, the reason I consider game mechanics an accurate reflection of their respective characters' capabilities is because they tend to fairly portray what they can bring to bear.

And Malgus being able to bring them to their knees with Lightning and Force Push suggests he can do the same with Choke.

Originally posted by Geistalt
All that means is that a protagonist hypothetically could have beaten him all on their own.

Not that they did. Or would have.

For the record, the reason I consider game mechanics an accurate reflection of their respective characters' capabilities is because they tend to fairly portray what they can bring to bear.

And Malgus being able to bring them to their knees with Lightning and Force Push suggests he can do the same with Choke.

There's a little something called fatigue.

Obviously, an exhausted Malgus on the bring of dying isn't going to be able to use his full potency as easily as one that's ready to start a fight.

And that's not what the Hero did, anyways.

Originally posted by Geistalt
All that means is that a protagonist hypothetically could have beaten him all on their own.

Not that they did. Or would have.

For the record, the reason I consider game mechanics an accurate reflection of their respective characters' capabilities is because they tend to fairly portray what they can bring to bear.

And Malgus being able to bring them to their knees with Lightning and Force Push suggests he can do the same with Choke.

I don't know what it is with you people and TOR, but losing, no matter how spectacularly, is not a good showing. If you can choke out multiple people, even if it's determined by the number of people present not an actual measure of ability, and still lose you've only showed how incompetent you are.

The fact that you people think Malgus can choke out 3 people at once, but won't choke out all three when it's just three people, or everyone if it's just two(or no one at all when it's just one) shows just how retarded Malgus is if anything. Or it shows it's just a game mechanic. Pick one.

Originally posted by Geistalt
There's a little something called fatigue.

Obviously, an exhausted Malgus on the bring of dying isn't going to be able to use his full potency as easily as one that's ready to start a fight.

And at no point is Malgus ever sighted or even implied to be exhausted, for that matter.

Originally posted by Geistalt
And Malgus being able to bring them to their knees with Lightning

I don't know why people keep bringing this up like it's an impressive feat for Malgus. Like, the dude blasts the team with lightning--not one of them even defending themselves--then they just get back up and kill him. What on earth is impressive about that? That the team didn't just stand there with their hands in their pockets, whistling as they were being shocked? Congratulations, he's not an incompetent neophyte with sub-tazer level FL.

*brink

Goddamn autocorrect.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which is not an argument against any point I made nor is it the argument I made

And didn't the SWTOR Encyclopedia say otherwise?

Fresh wasting time arguing about game mechanics for the 13224234 time.

Why not just discuss feats

As for the match not sure.

Cade's naturally more powerful in the force, but Malgus may or may not get new feats in the new expansion

Well, carthage, I get you're pretty slow on the up take, but the argument is that gae mechanics are feats. Which they aren't. Such problems you have with understanding would go away if you just learned to read, fam.

Originally posted by Geistalt
*brink

Goddamn autocorrect.

It is when you contend that only 1 of the protagonists fought and killed him.

And didn't the SWTOR Encyclopedia say otherwise?

You've been going on for pages about the same stupid shit you always go on with TOR phags. The only slow one is you for thinking you can change their minds, ****wit 😂

Who's here to change minds? The point is for everyone else to think, not the person you're talking to. I'd also like to point out this thread is hardly even pages long. I make the same arguments because you people keep making the same threads. Sorry I like to keep myself consistent. And for the record, "slow on the uptake," doesn't mean you're slow. For future reference.