Originally posted by Lestov16
I don't understand people who voted for Trump just to vote against Hillary, yet claim they believe both are corrupt. I hate Hillary too, but I chose to vote third party rather than help either of the two clearly corrupt main candidates.
I likewise don't understand the people who voted for Hilary just to vote against Trump. Crazy world we live in.
'I refuse to be like them': why the man shot while protesting Milo Yiannopoulos doesn't want revenge
[I]I was the first protester shot under the Trump administration,” said Josh Dukes, a 34-year old computer security engineer, on a recent afternoon in a Seattle coffee shop. “Hopefully I’m the last.” -snip
On the night of Trump’s inauguration, Dukes travelled to Red Square, a plaza on the University of Washington’s Seattle campus, to protest against a speech by the rightwing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos. Unlike some of his fellow anti-fascists, Dukes made no effort to disguise himself. While protesters in black face masks squared off against Trump supporters in red “Make America Great Again” hats, Dukes says that he attempted only to “peacefully de-escalate” conflict.
Then, he was shot. -snip
The Red Square shooting brought together the lives of two radically different couples: leftwing activists Dukes and Sasha, and Mark and Elizabeth Hokoana, who have been identified by the media as the couple who turned themselves in to police after the shooting. Mark Hokoana wrote Facebook messages to Yiannopoulos and referenced his pro-Trump “#MAGA hat” on the day of the shooting. He was assumed to be the shooter until last week, when an attorney for his wife, Elizabeth Hokoana, told the Seattle Times that she had been the shooter, claiming that she acted in defense of her husband. -snip
The self-defense claim has gained some steam in the media. A local TV station reported that emergency medical responders had found brass knuckles in Dukes’ pocket, based on a readout of the EMS radio dispatch. (Dukes finds this allegation both amusing and infuriating. Within a few minutes of meeting a reporter, he eagerly drew the “brass knuckles” out of his pocket, revealing what was actually a plastic finger strengthener used by guitarists. -snip
tl;dr version: Trumpers brought a concealed gun to a rally and fired into the crowd; shooting a man who was "armed" plastic finger exerciser.
Is seeing imaginary enemies in every corner where you feel you need to bring a gun and then firing said gun into a large crowd a sign of mental instability?
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]My fav thing about the people that were anti Trump on the Leftist Side is how they cut all ties with people that did vote for Trump. Love the stories about how Leftists won't let their kids see their grandparents anymore because of how they voted.Leftiies are cwazy people.
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One funny, but crazy thing seems to be that certain actions you take can be racist if you're a Trump supporter..but they become not racist if you support Hilary.
Like for example..picking up someones pencil:
Villanova Student Accuses Classmate Who Picked Up Her Pencil of ‘Racism’
"The student in question, according to Alvarado, has been more than a decent human being, helping her catch errant writing utensils, holding the door open for her occasionally, and even letting her use his notes when she was out sick.
But he is also friends with Alvarado on Facebook, where she sees him arguing about immigration and Trump’s refugee policies with other students. Since he’s on the opposite side of these issues from her, he’s clearly a racist just trying to hide his beliefs behind a thin veneer of chivalry"
Yeah, you read that correctly: he even let her use his notes when she was out sick lol. But this is apparently some plot to trick her into thinking he isn't racist. The mental illness becomes even more apparent when you realize she *penned a letter to the Huffington Post over this* lol.
Originally posted by Robtard
'I refuse to be like them': why the man shot while protesting Milo Yiannopoulos doesn't want revenge[I]I was the first protester shot under the Trump administration,” said Josh Dukes, a 34-year old computer security engineer, on a recent afternoon in a Seattle coffee shop. “Hopefully I’m the last.” -snip
On the night of Trump’s inauguration, Dukes travelled to Red Square, a plaza on the University of Washington’s Seattle campus, to protest against a speech by the rightwing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos. Unlike some of his fellow anti-fascists, Dukes made no effort to disguise himself. While protesters in black face masks squared off against Trump supporters in red “Make America Great Again” hats, Dukes says that he attempted only to “peacefully de-escalate” conflict.
Then, he was shot. -snip
The Red Square shooting brought together the lives of two radically different couples: leftwing activists Dukes and Sasha, and Mark and Elizabeth Hokoana, who have been identified by the media as the couple who turned themselves in to police after the shooting. Mark Hokoana wrote Facebook messages to Yiannopoulos and referenced his pro-Trump “#MAGA hat” on the day of the shooting. He was assumed to be the shooter until last week, when an attorney for his wife, Elizabeth Hokoana, told the Seattle Times that she had been the shooter, claiming that she acted in defense of her husband. -snip
The self-defense claim has gained some steam in the media. A local TV station reported that emergency medical responders had found brass knuckles in Dukes’ pocket, based on a readout of the EMS radio dispatch. (Dukes finds this allegation both amusing and infuriating. Within a few minutes of meeting a reporter, he eagerly drew the “brass knuckles” out of his pocket, revealing what was actually a plastic finger strengthener used by guitarists. -snip
tl;dr version: Trumpers brought a concealed gun to a rally and fired into the crowd; shooting a man who was "armed" plastic finger exerciser.
Is seeing imaginary enemies in every corner where you feel you need to bring a gun and then firing said gun into a large crowd a sign of mental instability?
I always laugh when liberals refer to these people as "anti-fascists", they are not(and it makes sense the article is from The Guardian). Seems like a sign of mental illness.
Anyways, I assume the shooter was aware that it was a plastic finger exerciser and shot anyways? If so that is all kinds of horrible and yeah a sign of mental illness.
As for the mere act of bringing a gun to a rally? Eh, we've seen people show up to these events just to start shit. We've seen violence at more than one of these rallies, one in Chicago had to be cancelled due to the violence(and it was violence from anti-Trumpers). One of these events the cops more or less stood by and did nothing. So I can't fault someone for thinking they need to be armed. I will fault them for shooting at someone at someone they know does not have a dangerous weapon.
Originally posted by Robtard
Lolz.
I am of course trusting you wouldn't misrepresent the situation. Since if this guy all of a sudden pulled some object from his pocket during a confrontation and this other person had no way of knowing what said object was and fired a shot..you would agree that isn't the same as shooting someone you know has some plastic finger thingy, right?
Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe you should read the story then, before going down deflection ally? Nothing worse than an uninformed deflection-ist.
I read the stuff you provided in your quote. Nowhere did it inform me about if this person actually knew ahead of time if it was some plastic harmless thing.
Which would be some pretty important information and you'd think worthy of including.
Originally posted by Surtur
I read the stuff you provided in your quote. Nowhere did it inform me about if this person actually knew ahead of time if it was some plastic harmless thing.Which would be some pretty important information and you'd think worthy of including.
Or you know, don't bring a concealed gun to a rally and then fire it into a crowd, there's always that option. Odd that you debase one group for breaking street signs at a rally, but backhand defend another when they shoot and almost kill someone.
It's like you're using two separate sets of standards, or something.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Don't you just love how the Leftists are always so eager to defend the rights of the CRIMINALS in these stories.Especially the DEAD Ones
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Here is the hilarious thing: I decided to give Rob the benefit of the doubt. I figured perhaps in the actual article there would be more vital information to answer my questions on just what the shooter knew about the danger or lack of danger.
There is nothing lol. There is nothing in the article that sheds more light on that specific aspect of this case. We do have this from the article:
“Washington law permits the use of force in order to defend someone in imminent danger of injury. We are confident that a jury, upon hearing what Elizabeth Hokoana saw, heard, and experienced, would find that she reasonably believed her husband was in immediate danger of great injury or death,” they added."
According to this the shooter, based on the actions of this guy, felt her partner was in danger and fired a shot. Or at least that is the defense, and nothing is offered by the man who was shot to contradict that or to imply he was shot for no reason as opposed to a legit fear of safety. Since the fact the weapon turned out to be harmless is irrelevant, people can't read minds and there has been multiple instances of violence against Trump supporters. Which is also why chastising someone for showing up to this event armed is silly.
Article says the guy who got shot tried to "peacefully de-escalate" the situation. Yeah, problem is liberal leaning rags like this often tend to define things in crazy ways. For example: the hilarity of calling people who try to physically block others from attending certain events because they disagree with them politically "anti fascists".
Another example: use of the word peaceful. Physically blocking traffic, physically trying to prevent people from attending an event, is not peaceful. Yet we have, numerous times, seen the media refer to such events as "peaceful protests".
Originally posted by Robtard
Or you know, don't bring a concealed gun to a rally and then fire it into a crowd, there's always that option. Odd that you debase one group for breaking street signs at a rally, but backhand defend another when they shoot and almost kill someone.It's like you're using two separate sets of standards, or something.
Um, I was talking about bringing a firearm for self defense. Which given people have committed violence against Trump supporters at rallies on more than one occasion..I feel a person has the right to arm themselves. I didn't say it's okay to fire into a crowd.
Why would you compare destroying property for no valid reason to..using a firearm because you feared for your safety..at an events that have had a track record of violence?
It's almost like you don't want to come at this logically.
Um, that's the opinion of the attacker's lawyer. Of course they're going to say that in defense of their client; that's their job. The case has yet to court. Lolz, you sure fumbled that one, sport.
These Trump yahoos shot someone because he was holding a finger toner. "revealing what was actually a plastic finger strengthener used by guitarists"
Originally posted by Robtard
Um, that's the opinion of the attacker's lawyer. Of course they're going to say that un defense of their client; that's their job. Lolz, you sure fumbled that one, sport.
Lol...I didn't fumble anything. We have not been given *any* information to contradict that. The article you gave sure as hell did not provide any.
If the opinion of the lawyer turned out to be based on fact, how would you respond?
These Trump yahoos shot someone because he was holding a finger toner. "revealing what was actually a plastic finger strengthener used by guitarists" [/B]
So now you are saying the shooter *was* aware in advance the person just had some plastic finger strengthener? Since I've already said if that was the case this was very wrong.
Where in the article did the guy who was shot say that the shooter knew he was armed with a plastic finger strengthener and shot him anyways? Since this:
"(Dukes finds this allegation both amusing and infuriating. Within a few minutes of meeting a reporter, he eagerly drew the “brass knuckles” out of his pocket, revealing what was actually a plastic finger strengthener used by guitarists. -snip"
Doesn't show it. It shows he didn't actually have brass knuckles, tells us nothing about what the shooter knew.
I'm going to ask again: if the defense lawyers claims turn out to be accurate, what would your response be?
It'd be super nice if editing worked more than 50% of the time, but anyways: if the shooter knew this man did not have a deadly weapon and fired at him anyways that is horrible and wrong.
If the man who was shot feels that this person knew he was in no danger and fired at him anyways and he doesn't want these people in prison I think both the shooter and the person who got shot are mentally ill.
Surtur's defense of the Trumper shooter: