Originally posted by psycho gundam
How does Hercules look good in your eyes? I'm honestly perplexed by thisLiterally Hercules' ability to cause damage was a scale system lmao
Hercules did no better than depowered Juggernaut
If you're honestly perplexed, I don't think I can dumb it down enough for you to understand.
He was going to die if he got hit any more. The only dumb thing is giving credit where it's not due. Hercules at best is a good fight for Savage Hulk (before he gets really enraged). I get that you have to call me dumb to keep clouding yourself from the fact that he cannot diminish or raise his durability so any damage he takes is a common denominator no matter the situation. A few hits turned him into a bloody pulp similar to the level of offense used on Depowered Juggernaut. You cannot argue the gulf between power levels here
Hercules really hasn't earned anything to justify this level of cognitive dissonance from fans. Just tell it like it is and leave
Originally posted by psycho gundam
He was going to die if he got hit any more. The only dumb thing is giving credit where it's not due. Hercules at best is a good fight for Savage Hulk (before he gets really enraged). I get that you have to call me dumb to keep clouding yourself from the fact that he cannot diminish or raise his durability so any damage he takes is a common denominator no matter the situation. A few hits turned him into a bloody pulp similar to the level of offense used on Depowered Juggernaut. You cannot argue the gulf between power levels hereHercules really hasn't earned anything to justify this level of cognitive dissonance from fans. Just tell it like it is and leave
And did it actually state he was going to die, or are you saying this because you think that?
If you really can't understand that Hulk at the "strongest he's ever been" not knocking out a Hercules just taking it fails to impress me, then it's not my fault.
So, I shall be expecting you to post proof Hercules was going to die. If you cannot do this, shut up carter.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yes. How is this even a debate still? People don't take punches as well when not expecting a punch or letting themselves get pounded.
YouTube has gotten notorious for deleting material the last few years, but, while they last, examine the following submissions and you'll see what you're saying isn't necessarily as clear-cut as you think:
1. (not expecting a punch)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=anh65MIl9xw
(Richard Grant versus James Butler; winning boxer, victorious after 10 rounds of punch exchanges, gets floored by one given AFTER the fight.)
2. (letting themselves get pounded)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PjsXCmDvJcs
(George Foreman versus Muhammad Ali, Round 5. Probably the most famous instance of a person allowing themselves to get pounded known to boxing. Note that Foreman had knocked out nearly every opponent before Ali in the 2years prior, is regarded as arguably the physically strongest boxer of the past 60 years, and was regarded as the 4-to-1 favorite to win this match.
3. George Foreman versus Jimmy Ellis. 58 second mark to 1 minute 30 second mark. Pay close attention to the words of one of the commentators on when, in all HIS years of experience, HE'S seen boxers get hurt.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_F8ZodhNu_o
Originally posted by Delta1938
And did it actually state he was going to die, or are you saying this because you think that?If you really can't understand that Hulk at the "strongest he's ever been" not knocking out a Hercules just taking it fails to impress me, then it's not my fault.
So, I shall be expecting you to post proof Hercules was going to die. If you cannot do this, shut up carter.
Originally posted by DamborgsonJust saw this
Yes. How is this even a debate still? People don't take punches as well when not expecting a punch or letting themselves get pounded.
Wut? The point is that the massive difference in strength means that just like the other characters that got folded, a few hits will take them down, some just took a single one. The fact hat Hercules took 4 is admirable considering Thing took 1 (or two since it was with both hands), but in no way does this mean that if he were to fight back the number of punches Hercules could take would change much if any at all.
Ben Grimm's "heart force" didn't help him and there are a ton of instances where his sheer stubbornness kept him conscious when others would have fallen
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Just saw thisWut? The point is that the massive difference in strength means that just like the other characters that got folded, a few hits will take them down, some just took a single one. The fact hat Hercules took 4 is admirable considering Thing took 1 (or two since it was with both hands), but in no way does this mean that if he were to fight back the number of punches Hercules could take would change much if any at all.
Ben Grimm's "heart force" didn't help him and there are a ton of instances where his sheer stubbornness kept him conscious when others would have fallen
That's not true just because you said it. Would have hulk won? Absolutely. He could have killed him had he wanted to. And Hercules is >> thing on every stat, inclding heart to be honest.
But that doesn't mean allowing yourself to get punched doesn't do more damage than not. It's dropping your guard, and allowing full on connects to the face, its not the same as being hit during a fight where you're moving, blocking , bracing, feinting, etc.
See Colossus vs Rulk for a comic example
Or Floyd Maywewther vs Victor Ortiz for a real world example.
Originally posted by DamborgsonIt's really just hair splitting considering Sentry literally allowed Hulk to tee off on him without any sort of defense and still stood up, in fact he was getting stronger
That's not true just because you said it. Would have hulk won? Absolutely. He could have killed him had he wanted to. And Hercules is >> thing on every stat, inclding heart to be honest.But that doesn't mean allowing yourself to get punched doesn't do more damage than not. It's dropping your guard, and allowing full on connects to the face, its not the same as being hit during a fight where you're moving, blocking , bracing, feinting, etc.
See Colossus vs Rulk for a comic example
Or Floyd Maywewther vs Victor Ortiz for a real world example.
Hercules simply doesn't have what it takes to hang in that class. Sorry to break it to everyone
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Indeed you did.
And even your attempt to reframe my quote doesn't hide that fact.You're not as hip as you thought, D.S. 😉
I'm impressed you've had enough exposure to the Bible to know what it often means by "know" in many passages, though. I'd be impressed if Delta had even that much familiarity with it.
I wasn't, however, reframing your quote - there isn't a need for that, unless you somehow misunderstood yourself?
I was reframing DELTA's quote, to account for his mistake (which he has subsequently admitted; see previous posts before this one). As you were misunderstanding him.
As for this thread, still not sure what Herc has to do with anything. Superman, not wanting to kill, and being of the same mindset as WWH (i.e. not wishing to engage in long drawn out fisticuffs) will use his speed, which is superior to what WWH has exhibited.
In other words, he will do what WWH did (with the BFRs) but at a higher speed.
Exhibit 1:
https://i.imgur.com/C9AVa6E.jpg
Exhibit 2:
http://imgur.com/a/GUVeh
Exhibit 3:
http://i.imgur.com/w1dBMSD.jpg
Exhibit 4:
http://i.imgur.com/TloIolx.jpg
Exhibit 5:
http://i.imgur.com/5lKb3hI.jpg
Exhibit 6:
http://i.imgur.com/8TNqLil.jpg
Exhibit 7:
http://i.imgur.com/nddU7N2.jpg
Exhibit 8:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/4209151-7610196334-17848.jpg
Admittedly, some of those are Superman wanting to fight (mainly, the blitzes to the Sun). But that's what happens when he's ending fights quickly, or moving fights away from the city, or just plain not interested in fighting.
IOW, when he's in the same mindset as WWH. Not this time, he's not going to puff his chest out and ask for their best shot, or give them one more chance to stand down, or ask them what their intentions are.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Peer of who?Superman unleashing on a Hercules that's standing still would literally kill Herc.
Superman unleashed on Captain Marvel and it didn't kill him. He unleashed on Diana as well without her dying and I feel confident at saying Hercules is just as durable as both (probably more durable tbh).
