Originally posted by Eternal Idol
At a half a kilometer away with no cover, it would be much easier for Castle to shoot Nightwing than it would be for Nightwing to close the distance without getting shot.
If he can OWN Grifter in a random encounter, he can beat Punisher. Again, it's not like Dick can't dodge bullets.
Originally posted by Supermutant
Nightwing isn't better than Batman, but he is better than Punisher.
Originally posted by Zack M
If he can OWN Grifter in a random encounter, he can beat Punisher. Again, it's not like Dick can't dodge bullets.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
At a half a kilometer away with no cover, it would be much easier for Castle to shoot Nightwing than it would be for Nightwing to close the distance without getting shot.
If it's a half kilometer away with no cover and Frank has his guns, he has all the advantages. He doesn't even have to break his rule about not killing innocents, he has enough time and space to aim for disabling shots.
If it's a random encounter in an urban area, then Dick has the advantage. He is faster, more agile, trained by Bruce Wayne and he can be upon Frank before he has time to aim.
kudos to everyone that forgot Nightwing wears body armor. Also nice of Dreampanther to bring up that in character Frank doesn't go for head shots on innocents.
Which mean gap closed and I didn't even have to bring up Nightwing's stealth or speed+ agility. Plus even being gimped NW still has an assortment of projectile attacks of his own.
Originally posted by riv6672
It doesnt mean that at all.Body armor doesnt make him bulletproof, which is why you (and others) were making such a big deal about him dodging.
I get it though, You see a way to save face on an erroneous call, and you're taking it.
On what erroneous call? B/c I have actually read both characters and know what their standard gear is, and how they usually perform.
NW's suit is bullet proof to an extent. He can't stand there and get hit by automatic 60 caliber shells, but he can take a couple of shots from Punisher's standard gear w/o permanent damage.
And Pun won't be able to just be stationery and take his time shooting someone defenseless. Nightwing can rapid fire batarangs, he also has bat bombs if needed for suppressive fire.
Any decent street routinely close the distance on shooters from closer w/o getting hit by bullets.
NW being dodging bullets from close range since 9 lol. Plus he has offensive capabilities of his on. And has used stealth to sneak up on Bat and "disappear" from Superman.
Here is point blank reaction time.
http://i.imgur.com/dhSJIEf.jpg
Here he is dodge a machine gun that fires 200 rounds per minute and he closes the gap on a flying opponent.
http://i.imgur.com/n7QLGPz.jpg
Maybe later I'll show how he has close the gap and dodged bullets from Deathstroke or how Daredevil has closed the gap routinely and dodged bullets from Punisher.
So yes he does close the gap b/c he has done it on panel repeatedly in more challenging situations w/o the current body armor that he now uses.
Young NW suit is even bullet proof pr- 52, and though hurt with a broken rib still one-shots opponent.
http://i.imgur.com/50OSEiv.jpg
And there's still more like his suit has a built in laser, tasers, and stun grenades. Not that he needs them to take out Pun, only to close the gap.
NW doesn't only have the one option to dodge, and has better standard equip besides gas and sonics.
Just so we are perfectly clear on who actually made "an erroneous call" by stating, "Body armor doesnt make him bulletproof."
Looking forward to you trying to "save face."
Originally posted by cdtm
Castle center shot Spidey and Matt. Nightwing has nothing on them when it comes to aim dodging.
This is normally what happens when Frank tries to shoot DD even at close distance. NW can come very close to equaling every aim dodging feat of DD. He has been pretty much trained since birth to be DC's best acrobat.
