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Originally posted by Supermutant But he didn't. He took Joker best hits after owning a bunch of supervillains. Then he beat Joker to death. And 10-year old Dick as Robin one-shotted Joker, and knocked teeth out of his mouth while evading gunfire.
He owned those supervillains for all of ten seconds before the joker shot some of them and sent them outside (I suppose it's fair to assume that he fought for longer than that). Dodging gunfire as a kid is impressive, I'll give you that, but is the joker anywhere near the level of marksman that the punisher is?
I know you didn't post that, but you asked why I posted the other Daken scans. Again the scan by the other poster was misleading b/c Daken evaded Punisher gunfire twice and closed the gap. And Punisher has been stalemated by Black Widow and one-shotted by DD,
👆 you are right about that, it was a fairly misleading scan but let's not pretend that that fight was something that it wasn't. Daken started somewhere around twenty feet away from Frank (the starting distance in this fight is 82 times farther) and although he did close the distance, literally one page prior to the beginning of this fight, Frank broke his leg and in the very beginning of the comic, Frank notes that he didn't have time for any of his wounds to heal (he just finished having a run in with sentry, the hood, and a small army of resurrected supervillains), and Frank hasn't gotten much sleep after fighting microchip. He stalemated black widow when he didn't even want to fight her and when has daredevil ever oneshotted him? Maybe you're remember a fight the wrong way or maybe you're intentionally trying to make a stronger case for Nightwing, but I can recall literally no instance in which Matt oneshots Frank.
so Dick doesn't need claws or a healing factor to beat him. He has stalemated better like Batman, Deathstroke, and outright beat Red Hood.
the same could be said of the guy that's beaten spider-man on four occasions (two of which were without prep), stalemated Winter Soldier, stalemated black widow (when he didn't even want to fight), beaten Elsa Bloodstone, downed Werewolf By Night, beaten Bullseye, beaten wolverine, etc.
DD has dodge Frank plenty of times w/o needing something to hid behind. DD like NW is very accurate with his batons, and DD has used them disarmed Punisher. Also, DD similar to NW has used his agility, acrobatics, and speed to close any gap. Plus you keep ignoring that NW has used flares, smoke bombs, and explosive batarangs as cover in similar situations. So he doesn't need cover from the environment b/c he has and can make his own cover.
Do please note that most of the times that he's beaten Frank, he still needed to use objects(such as walls, boxes, etc) in order to move off of them and continue to avoid the guy that he's outright noted misses him on purpose.
👆 Finally, some examples of what Grayson can use to viably cover some of the distance without getting shot. Just want to note that Frank likely will shoot the explosive batarangs out of the air before the get close and I'm pretty sure that Frank has night vision goggles as part of his standard equipment (don't quote me on that though) so smoke might not do anything.
Bulletproof means that if Punisher does hit him it will be in a protected area, therefore it won't cripple or disable him. I already showed one scan where he took two bullets in his back and the bullets bounce off, and didn't even slowed him down. But there are not a lot of scans of Nightwing getting shot, because he's that good at evading bulletes using agility, speed, stealth, skills, cover, and so forth.
🤨 Just because he has a bullet proof suit, that doesn't mean that the bullets won't do anything to him. Hell, Jason Todd knocked him out before by shooting him in the most well armored part of his suit at close range. I can still appreciate his ability to dodge and possibly fight through getting shot though. Also, thanks for the scans, I'll take a look at them.
Not standard gear, and he doesn't know NW's suit is bullet proof so he doesn't even have a reason to using armor piercing rounds.
since when have armor piercing rounds not been his standard gear or are you talking about the adamantium rounds, because Frank has occasional just been carrying those around? Why would Frank continue to use standard rounds once he sees them bouncing off​ of Dick's suit?
By the way I'm still waiting on evidence that Punisher has ever beaten DD strictly h2h. You can still admit you were wrong about that. DD is at least one tier above Punisher in combat skills. [/B]
After looking through their fights, he's never beaten Matt just using skills, so I will concede that point, but it definitely needs to be pointed out that he's not just going h2h in this fight and he has won on more than one occasion against Matt when he's gone for it.