Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I could also point to her lasting longer and doing more to a grevious with 4 blades than galia(for those obsessed with rank, a council master) was able to do vs a grevious who was using 2.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Being a full fledged Jedi master doesn't automatically put you above padawans who can hold their own vs grevious and who's force augmentation allows her to tank getting flipped and slammed head first by a dude who can throw humans hard enough to budge freighters and who's punches can dent star fighters, or who can disorientate or push back said star fighter denter.And given that deflecting lightning via the saber is about force augmented strength.
There's also fighting evenly(aside from when offee made circumstantial use of an environment she prepped for) with someone who can hold their own vs season 5 anakin despite having access to only one blade, but nah, let's just assume that being a Jedi master suddenly puts you above that or that rank means something when comparing random featless masters to the appretince of the chosen one
Deflecting lightning requires a particular degree of technique. That's why scrubs like AOTCs Anakin and Savage Oppress can't simply raise their lightsabers and deflect it casually. Ashoka has 0 feats suggesting she is either more powerful or skilled than Savage. She certainly has shown 0 capabilities of defending against FL.
And at best Ashoka has shown capabilities of a skilled Knight. She's not at the level of a Jedi Master. Tiplee was good enough to be assigned on a mission with Kenobi to bring Maul in. That's above Ashoka's pay-grade.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah Ahsoka is more impressive than Tiplee lol
You don't assign a garbage-tier Jedi Master to bring in Maul. No 15 year old Jedi is gonna be superior to a Jedi Master assigned to bring in Sith Lords.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Eh that's kinda a bad comparison, but yeah Ahsoka's accomplishments put her higher as a combatant than "just being a Jedi Master"
And at least augmentation wise(which is relevant to how you fare vs someone's lightning saber wise), getting kod by a single kick is<<<<shrugging off getting flipped and slammed by the back of your skull into the ground
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Savage couldn't because he's a retard with far less training than Ahsoka, and Anakin didn't because he charged into it like a ****ing moron. Suggesting Anakin didn't teach Ahsoka how to block Force lightning when there's a decent chance she would have to in the future is ridiculous.
Suggesting a neophyte Padawan can deflect Force lightning is absurd. If Ashoka tried to deflect Dooku's lightning her lightsaber would likely be blown from her hand like Yoda's was when he tried to deflect Sidious' lightning. Only a complete idiot would suggest this with 0 evidence. No Padawan has ever displayed the ability to deflect Force Lightning as far as I know.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
What's wrong with the comparison?And at least augmentation wise(which is relevant to how you fare vs someone's lightning saber wise), getting kod by a single kick is<<<<shrugging off getting flipped and slammed by the back of your skull into the ground
And as far as Gallia getting "KOed" goes, she was thrown back by a kick from Grievous out of sight and then it immediately cut to another clip, so we don't know if she was actually knocked out by that strike or if she immediately got up and reengaged Grievous, so again it's pointless to draw a comparison.
And lastly, the fight Gallia put up against Savage is a more impressive feat than any of Ahsoka's and is quite honestly out of Ahsoka's paygrade.
With this in mind, there's really nothing to draw a comparison between Ahsoka and Gallia off of that allows you to scale Ahsoka... though she doesn't need that to be above someone whose best feat is TKing some droids.
Originally posted by Lord StarkShe's actually a pretty experienced fighter by the end of TCW, far more experienced than 90% of Jedi Masters during the Clone Wars as far as lightsaber combat is concerned, so waving her off as a neophyte is dumb as hell. It's pretty much common sense that Anakin would teach her how to defend herself against Force lightning since he himself has been subject to it numerous times, and Ahsoka coming across it isn't some impossible scenario. Maybe I'd believe what you're saying if Kenobi hadn't lol'd Dooku's lightning off despite never having dealt with it and if I had any logical reason to believe Anakin would have neglected to teach Ahsoka how to block a Force attack that she may actually have to face later down the line. Do you have any examples of Dooku blowing lightsabers out of hands with his lightning?
Suggesting a neophyte Padawan can deflect Force lightning is absurd. If Ashoka tried to deflect Dooku's lightning her lightsaber would likely be blown from her hand like Yoda's was when he tried to deflect Sidious' lightning. Only a complete idiot would suggest this with 0 evidence. No Padawan has ever displayed the ability to deflect Force Lightning as far as I know.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
What's wrong with the comparison is that we didn't see when the Gallia Grievous duel actually began and we didn't see when it ended, so we can't really accurately judge the fight since we have no indication as to how long it actually was.And as far as Gallia getting "KOed" goes, she was thrown back by a kick from Grievous out of sight and then it immediately cut to another clip, so we don't know if she was actually knocked out by that strike or if she immediately got up and reengaged Grievous, so again it's pointless to draw a comparison.
And lastly, the fight Gallia put up against Savage is a more impressive feat than any of Ahsoka's and is quite honestly out of Ahsoka's paygrade.
With this in mind, there's really nothing to draw a comparison between Ahsoka and Gallia off of that allows you to scale Ahsoka... though she doesn't need that to be above someone whose best feat is TKing some droids.
2. She could be scaled off secura though(indirectly as of tcw, directly as of rots)
Not that she needs it here
Originally posted by |King Joker|
She's actually a pretty experienced fighter by the end of TCW, far more experienced than 90% of Jedi Masters during the Clone Wars as far as lightsaber combat is concerned, so waving her off as a neophyte is dumb as hell. It's pretty much common sense that Anakin would teach her how to defend herself against Force lightning since he himself has been subject to it numerous times, and Ahsoka coming across it isn't some impossible scenario. Maybe I'd believe what you're saying if Kenobi hadn't lol'd Dooku's lightning off despite never having dealt with it and if I had any logical reason to believe Anakin would have neglected to teach Ahsoka how to block a Force attack that she may actually have to face later down the line. Do you have any examples of Dooku blowing lightsabers out of hands with his lightning?
No she's not. Jedi Masters spar with each other constantly. She is not more experienced than 90% of Jedi Masters.
Kenobi was a skilled Jedi Knight and the first Jedi in a thousand years to defeat a Sith Lord. Lol I don't have to prove Dooku would blow anything out of someone's hands. Ahsoka has shown 0 capability to do so. Its pretty dumb to think its as simple as 'just raise your saber' If it was Savage, Ventress, or genius Skywalker would have done it. They didn't because it was a technique unknown to them. Also this "Called Sith lightning, these charges cause excruciating pain and weaken life, and it is a challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters to deflect such bursts."
Even Jedi Masters have trouble deflecting FL. This is shown when Dooku dispatches even Sora Bulq with in spite of him being one of the most skilled blademasters in the Order's history.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
No she's not. Jedi Masters spar with each other constantly. She is not more experienced than 90% of Jedi Masters.Kenobi was a skilled Jedi Knight and the first Jedi in a thousand years to defeat a Sith Lord. Lol I don't have to prove Dooku would blow anything out of someone's hands. Ahsoka has shown 0 capability to do so. Its pretty dumb to think its as simple as 'just raise your saber' If it was Savage, Ventress, or genius Skywalker would have done it. They didn't because it was a technique unknown to them. Also this "Called Sith lightning, these charges cause excruciating pain and weaken life, and it is a [B]challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters to deflect such bursts.
"Even Jedi Masters have trouble deflecting FL. This is shown when Dooku dispatches even Sora Bulq with in spite of him being one of the most skilled blademasters in the Order's history. [/B]
Mmm...the thing is though, deflecting is the keyword here. A lightsaber isn't really deflecting the Lighting, it's just being used as a lighting rod of sorts to absorb it. Plus I'd wager the intensity and power of the user's lighting would factor into if it can be challenged against.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Mmm...the thing is though, deflecting is the keyword here. A lightsaber isn't really deflecting the Lighting, it's just being used as a lighting rod of sorts to absorb it. Plus I'd wager the intensity and power of the user's lighting would factor into if it can be challenged against.
"However, while a deadly weapon, it is not unstoppable. Force lightning can be deflected and absorbed by a lightsaber, and select Jedi have proved able to neutralize the technique through the power of the light side."- Star Wars Databank
Originally posted by Lord Stark
"However, while a deadly weapon, it is not unstoppable. Force lightning can be [B]deflected and absorbed by a lightsaber, and select Jedi have proved able to neutralize the technique through the power of the light side."- Star Wars Databank [/B]
Right, deflected and absorbed by a lightsaber, deflection and absorbing isn't really the same thing.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
"Deflected and absorbed" not "deflected or absorbed". Its the same action.
Well even going by that, the power of the Force User using it is most likely also a factor. Because I don't think you'd agree a random Dark Jedi using Force Lighting would instantly be able to defeat a full fledged Jedi Master.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Well even going by that, the power of the Force User using it is most likely also a factor. Because I don't think you'd agree a random Dark Jedi using Force Lighting would instantly be able to defeat a full fledged Jedi Master.
There's a difference between generic Force Lightning and full powered Sith Lighting. Sith Lightning like Dooku's is just on a different level.
"A Jedi sufficiently strong in the Force can be trained to produce a facsimile, but not true Sith lightning, which, unabated, has the power not only to incapacitate or kill, but to physically transform the victim. Force lightning requires strength of a sort only a Sith can command because we accept consequence and reject compassion. To do so requires a thirst for power that is not easily satisfied. The Force tries to resist the callings of ravenous spirits; therefore it must be broken and made a beast of burden. It must be made to answer one's will. But the Force cannot be treated deferentially. In order to summon and use lightning properly, you will someday have to be on the receiving end of its power, as a means of taking the energy inside yourself."- Darth Plagueis
Originally posted by Lord StarkAnd yet she's still a better combatant than many Jedi Masters during the Clone Wars. mmm Either way, being in multiple legitimate duels with the likes of Grievous, Ventress, Vizsla and Barriss is easily better and more practical experience than sparring with fellow Jedi.
No she's not. Jedi Masters spar with each other constantly. She is not more experienced than 90% of Jedi Masters.
Originally posted by Lord StarkAnd? He still never faced lightning before, so why wasn't he blindsided by it and disarmed?
Kenobi was a skilled Jedi Knight and the first Jedi in a thousand years to defeat a Sith Lord.
Originally posted by Lord Stark'I'm going to make a claim with no evidence while lambasting other people's arguments because they supposedly have no evidence.' Okay, got it.
Lol I don't have to prove Dooku would blow anything out of someone's hands. Ahsoka has shown 0 capability to do so.
Originally posted by Lord StarkAnd why do you think it makes sense that Ahsoka wouldn't know what the technique is? Anakin just forgot to tell her about it?
Its pretty dumb to think its as simple as 'just raise your saber' If it was Savage, Ventress, or genius Skywalker would have done it. They didn't because it was a technique unknown to them.
Also, Anakin would definitely place more emphasis teaching deflecting Force lightning to Ahsoka than Qui-Gon would teach Kenobi, anyone would teach Ventress, or Dooku would teach Savage "I want a trump card over this guy" Opress.
Originally posted by Lord StarkIs that talking about blocking it with your lightsaber or tutaminis?
Also this "Called Sith lightning, these charges cause excruciating pain and weaken life, and it is a [B]challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters to deflect such bursts." [/b]
Originally posted by Lord StarkBulq didn't even have a chance to block it because Dooku electrocuted him immediately after disarming him.
Even Jedi Masters have trouble deflecting FL. This is shown when Dooku dispatches even Sora Bulq with in spite of him being one of the most skilled blademasters in the Order's history.
Just FYI, I'm not claiming Ahsoka would be always successful in deflecting Dooku's lightning in an actual combat scenario, i.e. if Dooku were to engage her in lightsaber combat, disarm her, and then blast her with lightning like Dooku did with Bulq. Rather, I think Ahsoka could block it in a situation similar to how Kenobi did in AotC. Dooku is clearly massively superior to Ahsoka in the Force and lightsaber combat so that he could work some lightning into an attack sequence and hit her with it.
Secura, a council master got one shotted by maul despite mace's presence.
Ahsoka as of tcw held her own vs grevious, someone who fought evenly with maul in sod and has outdueled/matched tcw kenobi who himself has been a superior with the saber to maul.
OR
ROTS Ahsoka, who was less than a year off her tcw counterpart fought inconclusively for a bit with rots maul without getting one shotted.
Ahsoka>Secura
Rank means nothing here