Ood Bnar (TotJ) vs. Vitiate (Revan)

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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I specifically said it was a "prolonged Force Lightning attack," in contrast to Vitiate's "concentrated FLS."


Force lighting is a "concentrated fls". Force storm is a more widespread form of force lighting. Its the exact same attack

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I'm drawing a distinction between Vitiate, where he gathered his energies together for a prolonged period of time before unleashing it en masse, and Palpatine, who unleashed a steady stream of Force lightning at his target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dykZj0-WftY&t=0m37s

Vitiate's attack against Revan likely looked a lot like the one against Marr, just even more powerful. Vitiate then continued to torture Revan with additional lightning.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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I'm drawing a distinction between Vitiate, where he gathered his energies together for a prolonged period of time before unleashing it en masse, and Palpatine, who unleashed a steady stream of Force lightning at his target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dykZj0-WftY&t=0m37s

Vitiate's attack against Revan likely looked a lot like the one against Marr, just even more powerful. Vitiate then continued to torture Revan with additional lightning.


1. Palpatine had several seconds to gather his energy for that attack before hand though. And palpatine's blast of lighting was longer than vitiate's on reven

The fact he had the time is irrelevant. Do you have a quote saying he did? I recall Palpatine holding his hands in front of his face praying to dear God Anakin would intervene.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact he had the time is irrelevant. Do you have a quote saying he did? I recall Palpatine holding his hands in front of his face praying to dear God Anakin would intervene.

Why do you need a quote? Force users gather and make use of energy when they use force attacks. And even if assume that palp was seriously desperate and helpless there anakin there was still several seconds between when anakin cut windu's hand off and when sidious blasted mace with lightning.

Because there's no reason whatsoever for Palpatine to gather energy in any way that compares to what Vitiate did? 😬

I don't think you understand the difference between what Vitiate did and what Palpatine did.

Uh to kill windu?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't think you understand the difference between what Vitiate did and what Palpatine did.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate's attack against Revan likely looked a lot like the one against Marr, just even more powerful.
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How much more baseless conjecture do you plan to apply to these feat?

The Emperor rose to his feet, his robes smoking and singed where the lighting had struck him. His black eyes flashed red, and he raised both hands high above his head.

Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done. The Jedi quickly calculated his options. Realizing he couldn’t close the gap between them quickly enough to stop the assault, he gathered his own energy and spread his hands before him, ready to catch and absorb the Emperor’s attack.

A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.

The above description is blatantly not your standard Force lightning seen in the films. Given we have reference to Vitiate' uberlightning in KOTET, not sure why it's a stretch to draw a comparison to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpcV7IHUrIs&t=13m48s

Actually, given the description of a "swirling storm of pure dark side energy," it might look something like this.

Although then it likens it to Darth Nyriss' attack, so I might say something between this and the Marr lightning.

Vitiare unleasehing a more widespread and less concentrated attack doens't make ti better, anyhow I'll look in the noveliztions for the quote regarding windu

... that's not what he did. Vitiate, in a state of primal anger, gathered his power and unleashed a "swirling storm of pure dark side energy."

Palpatine simply used Force Lightning against Mace Windu, in similiar fashion to how Dooku did against Anakin in Episode II.

Originally posted by Azronger
Great advice. Too bad you're too proud and/or stupid to apply it to yourself.

Expect your illogical drivel to be ridiculed at every turn.

Originally posted by Azronger
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Oh, so amps are irrelevant because Vitiate might be stronger than an amped Ood? What? Just... lmao.

Notify me when you have a basis for any of this. Vitiate > Ood, without any amps - fact. However, once Ood draws power from Ossus' core, that statement no longer applies and we are left to the realm of feats, where Vitiate can at most (I'd argue the supernova was still far more potent) devastate the surface of a planet similarly to what the supernova did to Ossus - and Ood would still survive that attack.

And then we factor in that this Vitiate we are using isn't even capable of that, so your argument falls flat once more.


Vitiate devastated Ziost with his powers - this is ample proof of his superiority over Ood Bnar even in the latter's augmented state. Bnar is not strong enough to replicate a feat of equivalent scale and potency in any case - augmentation considered or not.

Supernova is a cosmic event; its waves scorched Ossus but it isn't much of a benchmark for apocalyptic events throughout history. There were survivors on Ossus besides Ood Bnar. Anyways, we are not talking about a conventional scorching shockwave here; we are talking about the epitome of Force Drain powers here - an ALTER ability that literally consumes living tissue and creates a rend in the Force engulfing a planet. Bnar's defenses aren't going to work against that kind of power because they are not conventional waves of energy that can be stopped through a Force shield.

"Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely." (Jedi Master Kriea)

Originally posted by Azronger
No he didn't. In fact if we were to follow his logic, Vitiate would've grown weaker during that period, which makes no sense.

I will leave this part to DarthAnt66 for now.

Originally posted by Azronger
I'll drop my "nonsense" once someone successfully refutes it - which I know won't be you.

You claimed that Ood Bnar (augmented) > Vitiate (a claim that you cannot substantiate in any case). Your effort to draw a comparison between supernova shockwave and a Force Drain power, is as ABSURD as it is desperate. Both - Fire and Tornado - can kill you but they are not the same thing. A fire-suit might save you from fire but it won't save you from a Tornado. My point? Do not generalize and drop your nonsense.

Sedriss managed to eliminate Bnar by calling down electric bolts from Ossus's atmosphere upon the target:

When Sedriss called down electricity from the atmosphere, Ood drew up power from Ossus' core. The two combatants annihilated each other.

Taken from The New Essential Guide to Characters

So much for Bnar's invincibility. Don't pin Exar Kun's failure on Vitiate.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Azronger I love you

lol People still try to argue that Revan's failure to contain Vitiate's Lightning was a positive feat for him? lmfao

He absorbed 99% of the lighting bro.

And no, it's not an inconsistency. ****ing SWTOR Vitiate's Storm failed to drop the Jedi Strike Team. He had to use repeated attacks. Even then, they were merely incapacitated.

By comparison, Orbalisk Bane managed to inflict near-death injuries on himself with that FLS in RoT.

Originally posted by SunRazer
And no, it's not an inconsistency.

We went over that already

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Expect your illogical drivel to be ridiculed at every turn.

[Vitiate devastated Ziost with his powers - this is ample proof of his superiority over Ood Bnar even in the latter's augmented state. Bnar is not strong enough to replicate a feat of equivalent scale and potency in any case - augmentation considered or not.

Supernova is a cosmic event; its waves scorched Ossus but it isn't much of a benchmark for apocalyptic events throughout history. There were survivors on Ossus besides Ood Bnar. Anyways, we are not talking about a conventional scorching shockwave here; we are talking about the epitome of Force Drain powers here - an ALTER ability that literally consumes living tissue and creates a rend in the Force engulfing a planet. Bnar's defenses aren't going to work against that kind of power because they are not conventional waves of energy that can be stopped through a Force shield.

"Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely." (Jedi Master Kriea)

I will leave this part to DarthAnt66 for now.

You claimed that Ood Bnar (augmented) > Vitiate (a claim that you cannot substantiate in any case). Your effort to draw a comparison between supernova shockwave and a Force Drain power, is as ABSURD as it is desperate. Both - Fire and Tornado - can kill you but they are not the same thing. A fire-suit might save you from fire but it won't save you from a Tornado. My point? Do not generalize and drop your nonsense.

Sedriss managed to eliminate Bnar by calling down electric bolts from Ossus's atmosphere upon the target:

When Sedriss called down electricity from the atmosphere, Ood drew up power from Ossus' core. The two combatants annihilated each other.

Taken from [B]The New Essential Guide to Characters

So much for Bnar's invincibility. Don't pin Exar Kun's failure on Vitiate. [/B]

Alright, that's it. You're dense as a duck and have the IQ of a cuck. I'm not wasting anymore time on this crap.