Ood Bnar (TotJ) vs. Vitiate (Revan)

Even less impressive:

It was deliberate, and it required time to take effect.

Power hungry, the Emperor spent great energy discovering and perfecting esoteric rites of darkness – rituals that wrecked the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas, transforming the ionosphere into a swirling electric storm.

Found a quote on him draining strength from people aside from Revan and the Hand, though.

Burial place, prison, and reliquary, the Dark Temple was built on the orders of the Emperor to seal away powerful artifacts and the Emperor's enemies, both alive and dead. The temple became a nexus of dark side energy as the Emperor performed rituals within, drawing strength and knowledge from his captives.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate > Ood Bnar
Vitiate > Exar Kun

See below.

Vitiate doesn't even need that to destroy Ood Bnar.

Really? See chapter 12 of Knights of the Fallen Empire. Vitiate can perform ALTER ENVIRONMENT on both micro and macro levels. He performed a ritual to wreck the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas (a planetary-scale feat) but he doesn't needs a ritual to perform ALTER ENVIRONMENT on micro-level.

More importantly, a Force-wielder invests his power in a ritual. Therefore, Vitiate's feat of corrupting the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas is also a valid demonstration of his strength. The word 'ritual' doesn't invalidates it.

[B]NOTE: Rituals in Star Wars are not necessarily voodoo magic. They are essentially acts of ALTER.

I presented evidence earlier:

The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

That is not an era-specific quote. It doesn't specifies when Vitiate became that strong. It just tells us that he is.

Case closed. [/B]

I'm going to skip the AE nonsense since it's not relevant.

But to the point, you defeated your own point by acknowledging the fact that the quote doesn't tell us when he he became the most powerful Force user, so there's no reason to assume this refers to novel Vitiate. And more importantly, the quote doesn't include amplifications, which Ood has here, so again, worthless quote.

I say this once more: prove that Vitiate packs more of a punch than a supernova and a lightsaber blade, or stop wasting my time.

sedriss=bnar>kun>vitiate

Originally posted by Azronger
I'm going to skip the AE nonsense since it's not relevant.

But to the point, you defeated your own point by acknowledging the fact that the quote doesn't tell us when he he became the most powerful Force user, so there's no reason to assume this refers to novel Vitiate. And more importantly, the quote doesn't include amplifications, which Ood has here, so again, worthless quote.

I say this once more: prove that Vitiate packs more of a punch than a supernova and a lightsaber blade, or stop wasting my time.

If there was, SWTOR Vitiate would have dominated Revan with telepathy if novel Vitiate was stalemating him.

What actually happened was Revan telepathically influenced Vitiate to initiate the Treaty of Coruscant close to SWTOR.

And we know that Revan's powers degraded during this time frame, so it seems obvious Vitiate didn't increase much.

Originally posted by Azronger
I'm going to skip the AE nonsense since it's not relevant.

But to the point, you defeated your own point by acknowledging the fact that the quote doesn't tell us when he he became the most powerful Force user, so there's no reason to assume this refers to novel Vitiate. And more importantly, the quote doesn't include amplifications, which Ood has here, so again, worthless quote.

I say this once more: prove that Vitiate packs more of a punch than a supernova and a lightsaber blade, or stop wasting my time.

Vitiate was the most powerful Force-user out there. Amplifications and shit like that, suggest jack in front of that statement because Vitiate might be far stronger than even amped Ood Bnar. Vitiate can one-shot a planet with his powers for example and Ood Bnar is no where close to pull that off. Vitiate also has the capability to retain his presence outside a corporeal vessel, so he has his methods to counter celestial hazards and such. In KoTET, Vitiate remarked that no superweapon can stop him.

And yes, DarthAnt66 is correct in pointing out that their isn't much disparity in strength between Vitiate (NOV) and Vitiate (SWTOR). He cited a good case for it.

Time for you to drop your nonsense.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Repeating same nonsense again and again, doesn't makes your argument credible.

Originally posted by Geistalt
If that's the case (i.e. it was inadvertent), it's less impressive than what Plagueis accomplished.

Their is no proof that Darth Plagueis deliberately altered the climatic conditions of Naboo. It could be a sign. Anyways, it was a seasonal event at most.

Vitiate wrecked the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas on planetary-scale and the change was so profound that the planet began to experience planet-wide stormy conditions that rendered the notion of Night and Day moot and this shift was permanent. The entire environment changed and became hazardous as a consequence.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Why do you believe there is such a significant gap of power between novel Vitiate and SWTOR Vitiate?

If there was, SWTOR Vitiate would have dominated Revan with telepathy if novel Vitiate was stalemating him.

What actually happened was Revan telepathically influenced Vitiate to initiate the Treaty of Coruscant close to SWTOR.

And we know that Revan's powers degraded during this time frame, so it seems obvious Vitiate didn't increase much.

Telepathy isn't a valid way to measure overall Force power in this case, or otherwise Revan wouldn't have been creamed by Vitiate in a direct contest, and Vitiate would have actually gotten weaker, which would make no sense. Revan is simply an excellent telepath and an outlier who can contend with beings who are otherwise far above him, in a mental battle.

As for the gap between novel Vitiate and TOR Vitiate, I haven't seen the former devastate a planet, nor have I seen any implication that he can accomplish such a task. And the latter was also draining power from Revan, who was constantly being replenished by the Exile, who as a result of merging with the Force, gained access to virtually unlimited reserves and power. In a span of three centuries, doing that non-stop, Vitiate would have Revan's power tens of times over as part of his own.

Originally posted by Azronger
otherwise Revan wouldn't have been creamed by Vitiate in a direct contest.

And so what, all of Vitiate's other powers increased but his telepathy didn't? Doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Repeating same nonsense again and again, doesn't makes your argument credible.

Great advice. Too bad you're too proud and/or stupid to apply it to yourself.

Vitiate was the most powerful Force-user out there. Amplifications and shit like that, suggest jack in front of that statement because Vitiate might be far stronger than even amped Ood Bnar. Vitiate can one-shot a planet with his powers for example and Ood Bnar is no where close to pull that off.

😂

Oh, so amps are irrelevant because Vitiate might be stronger than an amped Ood? What? Just... lmao.

Notify me when you have a basis for any of this. Vitiate > Ood, without any amps - fact. However, once Ood draws power from Ossus' core, that statement no longer applies and we are left to the realm of feats, where Vitiate can at most (I'd argue the supernova was still far more potent) devastate the surface of a planet similarly to what the supernova did to Ossus - and Ood would still survive that attack.

And then we factor in that this Vitiate we are using isn't even capable of that, so your argument falls flat once more.

And yes, DarthAnt66 is correct in pointing out that their isn't much disparity in strength between Vitiate (NOV) and Vitiate (SWTOR). He cited a good case for it.

No he didn't. In fact if we were to follow his logic, Vitiate would've grown weaker during that period, which makes no sense.

Time for you to drop your nonsense.

I'll drop my "nonsense" once someone successfully refutes it - which I know won't be you.

Originally posted by Azronger
No he didn't. In fact if we were to follow his logic, Vitiate would've grown weaker during that period, which makes no sense..

How does Ant make that argument? For 275 years, Revan stopped Vitiate from invading. Then, when Revan is growing weaker, Vitiate invades. Revan still puts in enough effort to force a truce. Vitiate then disappears and makes plans that Revan has no influence over because he has little power left at that point. It's really not that hard to understand.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
But that never happened? Revan absorbed a vast majority of Vitiate's energy.

Still clinging to that calc, Ant?

Revan got stomped. Anyone who can read and comprehend the text understands this: Vitiate fires an attack, Revan tries to block it, Revan fails, Revan is left a charred and burned mess on floor.

And so what, all of Vitiate's other powers increased but his telepathy didn't? Doesn't make sense. [/B]

You are correct - it doesn't, really. But that's what the facts say so that's how it is, and it is not enough to refute my argument.

But he didn't? We know for a fact that the lightning should have disintegrated Revan, and yet all that happened was first to second-degree burns. 😬

That's indisputable.

My factual interpretation has Vitiate and Revan as peers but Vitiate slightly stronger, which is consistent with the mental war.

Your interpretation holds that Vitiate's best ability is weaker than it should be, Revan's telepathy is way better than the rest of his abilities, etc.

Ant, Could revan reborn beat novel vitiate if their fight took place on even ground?

Vitiate and Revan aren't peers. 🙂

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
But he didn't? We know for a fact that the lightning should have disintegrated Revan, and yet all that happened was first to second-degree burns. 😬

That's indisputable.

So because he wasn't disintegrated, he wasn't stomped? What kind of logic is this? That in no way stops it from being a stomp. Revan got downed in one attack. One. Attack. And he would have died if not for outside help. If that isn't a curbstomp, then I don't know what is.

Originally posted by Azronger
So because he wasn't disintegrated, he wasn't stomped? What kind of logic is this? That in no way stops it from being a stomp. Revan got downed in one attack. One. Attack. And he would have died if not for outside help. If that isn't a curbstomp, then I don't know what is.

It was Vitiate building up all his energy into a concentrated Force attack with Revan doing the same.

It was an entire battle's worth of energy concentrated into a grand finale for both parties.

It would be like Palpatine gathering his strength, Yoda gathering his strength, and then unleashing it and Palpatine winning with Yoda defeated and slightly injured.

Yes, the fact Revan absorbed energy capable of ashing him instantly so that it only gave him those burns means he wasn't stomped.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Vitiate and Revan aren't peers. 🙂