What makes Islam so special?

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
uh, well that's one way of looking at it

another is that jesus had zero wives, where as muhammad had 4. clear point to muhammad there, imo. jesus sounds like a bit of a fruitcake.

another thing: being a warlord. he basically started an empire out of sheer chaos. that's an admirable trait to me. **** the haters.

so to recap: muhammad was a powerful man with multiple wives. jesus was an impoverished closet case that got executed before he ever attained any power. yet both men maintain a more lasting legacy than all of us and our ancestors combined. if anything you have to take your hat off to that.

Sounds like if you could go back in time you'd totally fuck Muhammad and have his babies.

Originally posted by Trocity
I do admit, I share your fascination that people in the west are hell bent on defending a religion that is actively trying to wipe us off the face of the earth.

This.

I listened to a good Podcast with Johnathan Haidt and he had a pretty good explanation for what is going on with the Left on college campuses and poor fragile kids getting offended. I think it relates to Islam being defended by so many Leftists because Muslims are basically seen as another minority in this country that needs to be defended. So in short kids are no longer raised to sort of fend for themselves, they always have adults nearby (simply due to the perception of more crime thanks to our lovely 24-hour news) and so they are more fragile and when they get to college if something offends them they go straight to the dean and make a fuss and cause lots of trouble for professors. So professors are having to be careful about what they say or at least how they say it so as not to offend the most fragile student in the class. And so yes, this is sort of scary because it's damaging freedom of speech on campuses and in general. So I think Muslims are seen as sort of a fragile minority so you dare not say anything critical of what they believe or you're a bigot. People who criticize the beliefs of Islam (the beliefs mind you, not the people) are constantly having to defend themselves against accusations of bigotry. This includes ex-Muslim atheists!

This is a sad thing, because man when I got away from my fundamentalist Christian high school and got into college I loved it. Suddenly it was okay to see, think, and feel so many things that were taboo in that nauseating and isolated mind prison. Sad to see that that is damaged now.

^no, to do that I would have to be a woman.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
uh, well that's one way of looking at it

another is that jesus had zero wives, where as muhammad had 4. clear point to muhammad there, imo. jesus sounds like a bit of a fruitcake.

another thing: being a warlord. he basically started an empire out of sheer chaos. that's an admirable trait to me. **** the haters.

so to recap: muhammad was a powerful man with multiple wives. jesus was an impoverished closet case that got executed before he ever attained any power. yet both men maintain a more lasting legacy than all of us and our ancestors combined. if anything you have to take your hat off to that.

I do take my hat off to his ability to wine and dine 6 yr. old girls. It takes a special kind of guy to do that.

Both men do maintain a lasting legacy. Muhammad's legacy now is a religion that is totally at odds with western civilization.

lol, he didn't wine and dine her he just acquired her like the piece of property that she was, in those days.

edgar allen poe's wife was his 13 year old cousin. and that was less than 200 years ago. it's very easy to condemn ancient people by modern standards. but you achieve nothing by doing so, other than trying to achieve cheap political points.

Originally posted by Surtur

Both men do maintain a lasting legacy. Muhammad's legacy now is a religion that is totally at odds with western civilization.

All states and organisations that are run by religious orders or law should be brought to their knees. They are a legitimate threat to sane people.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
All states and organisations that are run by religious orders or law should be brought to their knees. They are a legitimate threat to sane people.

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Unfortunately the US is friends with the likes of Saudi Arabia because of their oil. So we probably just tacitly express that we disapprove of their ways.

Originally posted by Trocity
I do admit, I share your fascination that people in the west are hell bent on defending a religion that is actively trying to wipe us off the face of the earth.

US politics are polarized around one single issue

Are you a favorite of Democrats or Republicans.

I'm 100% certain if Islam worshippers started voting for the Republican party (And found acceptance by evangelicals and tea baggers), you might not see so many on the left defending them.

Originally posted by cdtm
US politics are polarized around one single issue

^ It's almost like Liberals defend Islam only because they have to be contrary to Conservatives. Not because they have any good reason to defend the ideologies associated with Islam.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
lol, he didn't wine and dine her he just acquired her like the piece of property that she was, in those days.

edgar allen poe's wife was his 13 year old cousin. and that was less than 200 years ago. it's very easy to condemn ancient people by modern standards. but you achieve nothing by doing so, other than trying to achieve cheap political points.

Lol I know he didn't wine and dine her it was a joke, kid f*cking warlords do not wine and dine folk.

I do love the "it's very easy to condemn these ancient folk for their kiddie f*cking". Yeah, yeah it is super easy. Plus funny too. Banging kids? Cool, bacon? Nope, wrong. Drawing a picture of the kiddie f*cker? Nope, wrong.

Those damn ancient times. Thankfully we do not deal with this stuff now. An American soldier wasn't disciplined for kicking the shit out of some Afghan general who had chained a 10 yr. old to his bed for 2 weeks for the purposes of rape and then laughed when confronted with the accusations.

Likewise if you're a 13 yr. old girl and you get raped they totally won't give you the options of: marry the rapist or go to jail. Countries have also not had to put up signs teaching refugees that rape is in fact bad.

"ancient times".... "afghanistan".... same difference

Lots of Muslims who defend Islam are ignorant about the truth of their religion because their Mosque teachers never taught them about how Muhammad fornicated with Aisha, led a massacre on Christians and Jews, allowed his followers to rape the wifes of their deceased enemies, spoke ill of females etc.

My molisab (that's what they call male Mosque teachers) did not tell me any of this when I used to be a Muslim.

Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Lots of Muslims who defend Islam are ignorant about the truth of their religion because their Mosque teachers never taught them about how Muhammad fornicated with Aisha, led a massacre on Christians and Jews, allowed his followers to rape the wifes of their deceased enemies, spoke ill of females etc.

My molisab (that's what they call male Mosque teachers) did not tell me any of this when I used to be a Muslim.

You relinquished your faith? Interesting. Must have been a big decision for you considering that some in the Muslim community look down on those who leave the faith.

Well, as long as his wife gets a light beating...

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
^ It's almost like Liberals defend Islam only because they have to be contrary to Conservatives. Not because they have any good reason to defend the ideologies associated with Islam.

Most liberals do not necessarily defend Islam, so much as they defend American Muslims, and they do so, not to be contrary to conservatives, but because American Muslims:

[list=1][*]Are a religious minority who are often targets of bigotry, oppression, and persecution.

[*]Are more liberal than evangelical Christians, holding attitudes about social issues that are roughly align with the American mainstream.[/list]

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Most liberals do not necessarily defend Islam, so much as they defend American Muslims, and they do so, not to be contrary to conservatives, but because American Muslims:

[list=1][*]Are a religious minority who are often targets of bigotry, oppression, and persecution.

[*]Are more liberal than evangelical Christians, holding attitudes about social issues that are roughly align with the American mainstream.[/list]

I'll grant that much of that is true, but they do indeed defend Islam, not just Muslims. And they seem to ignore the rather unsettling fact that even moderate American Muslims are worshipping the same sky fairy that inspires Muslim majority countries to throw gays off of buildings, kill apostates, imprison free-thinkers and women's rights activists, etc.

It's not right to persecute Muslims, but it is in fact important to criticize Islam.

Originally posted by Surtur
I seriously do not get this, this need to defend this religion..to make excuses for it, more than we have any other religion. What is it about this that makes that happen? Why is it people look at Islamaphobia as separate from a phobia of any other religion? Is there something I am missing out on? Am I not privy to some sort of mystical revelation others are privy to?

What is it that makes people do irrational things like bringing up the Crusades and stuff..in reference to what is going on currently? Why? Is there some kind of mass hypnosis? Is it magic?

What have we, as a species, been given by this specific religion, that makes us treat it this way? What is there to gain?

Surely there is some kind of secret I am just missing? Some revelation that will make all this make even a tiny bit of sense? I am not trying to be cruel, I legitimately want to know. Bestow on me some piece of knowledge..some bit of wisdom..that makes it legitimate to separate this religion from the others.

Simple answer, it's a powerful religion that's anti Christian and Ant Israel, Anti Jewish. It's a radical ideology much like progressive ideology.

It's the first time liberals, globalist and atheists have had a religion they could get behind to further their own anti Christian agenda.

Case in point, if you tell a atheist liberal you believe in Jesus, he will laugh at you. If you are a Muslim and tell the same person you are a Muslim, they will embrace you, not try to argue with you and will accept that as your right.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I'll grant that much of that is true, but they do indeed defend Islam, not just Muslims. And they seem to ignore the rather unsettling fact that even moderate American Muslims are worshipping the same sky fairy that inspires Muslim majority countries to throw gays off of buildings, kill apostates, imprison free-thinkers and women's rights activists, etc.

It's not right to persecute Muslims, but it is in fact important to criticize Islam.

Liberal Christians worship the same sky fairy that inspires African Christians to burn children alive as witches, and evangelical Christians to advocate putting LGBT Americans in concentration camps.

The problem is religious fundamentalism.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Liberal Christians worship the same sky fairy that inspires African Christians to burn children alive as witches, and evangelical Christians to advocate putting LGBT Americans in concentration camps.

The problem is religious fundamentalism.

Originally posted by RHaggis
You relinquished your faith? Interesting. Must have been a big decision for you considering that some in the Muslim community look down on those who leave the faith.

Yes, I realised that Islam is a Demonic idealogy.