Originally posted by FoxsteakA solution to this is to have healthcare industry professionals participate in government. Lawyers and businessmen are good at organizing bureaucracy but the actual doctors should be running government healthcare agencies.
power given to politically changing governments when medicine should be a scientific business.
And btw, America is pretty much already socialist, we're a social democracy so...
Originally posted by FoxsteakI think most people agree that everyone should have healthcare, not just children under 25. And we've tried the free market for the last 70 years and millions are uninsured and the sick fall under crushing debt. It's long past time to try single-payer at this point.
You're a constitutional republic.Lawyers and businessmen have a place in healthcare, but healthcare should be free for children under 25.
And thanks for telling me what my country is? I disagree with you, that term does not encompass everything this this country is. Whether y'all like to admit it or not, we are a Social Democracy.
Within the framework of capitalism, we engender socialistic policies.
Social democracy originated as a political ideology that advocated an evolutionary and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism using established political processes in contrast to the revolutionary approach to transition associated with orthodox Marxism.
At our best, that is exactly who we are ^^^
Yes. Everyone Agrees that EVERYONE should have Some form of Healthcare. Too bad for FF's narrative not nearly enough AGREE with HIS Fascist Views on it.
OH and Yes. Putting it full under a SOCIALIST Style is a GREAT MONEY SAVER! I mean just look at how The V-A is being run. That is a True Socialist System.
And I like how FF keeps bringing up how Certain People should Run things. Which is true....but ONLY IF they have the RIGHT KIND OF POLITICS!
Sad to see so many have been Brainwashed by the Totalitarian Propaganda of the Fascist Left in the U.S Educational System.
So sad.
Originally posted by FoxsteakWhy should it be a private thing? You don't think Government is capable of handling it?
You didn't understand my point.I'm all for a safety net with regards to health care, but it ultimately should be a private thing.
People trust the government to make bombs and invade countries, but they don't trust the government to handle healthcare???
Originally posted by Firefly218Government is not capable of handling it.
Why should it be a private thing? You don't think Government is capable of handling it?People trust the government to make bombs and invade countries, but they don't trust the government to handle healthcare???
Government invading countries is different. The point of a country and a government is to fight and destroy other countries. Sure, healthcare of it's citizens is kinda a good thing, but if country A has awesome healthcare, then country B will have people trying to get into country A if country B can't into healthcare.
Originally posted by FoxsteakWhy do you not trust the government, but you do trust Big Business? That seems like a really stupid position to take.
Government is not capable of handling it.Government invading countries is different. The point of a country and a government is to fight and destroy other countries. Sure, healthcare of it's citizens is kinda a good thing, but if country A has awesome healthcare, then country B will have people trying to get into country A if country B can't into healthcare.
Originally posted by Foxsteak
Well, if we were to discuss healthcare like the sensible intelligent members of KMC we are, I'd tell you that I have problems with socialised medicine such as the NHS.
As Scribbity Scrib McScribbles pointed out, the UK's healthcare system, NHS, despite the funding and inefficiency sicknesses (which are supposed to be on the mend), they still outperform the US healthcare system in almost every single category: sometimes, absurdly so.
Despite NHS' problems, it would be a massive upgrade for the average US resident.
Which, if NHS is as in poor of health (damn, 2 puns in the some point) as you imply, how much more poorly does that speak to the USA's healthcare system?
Originally posted by dadudemon
As Scribbity Scrib McScribbles pointed out, the UK's healthcare system, NHS, despite the funding and inefficiency sicknesses (which are supposed to be on the mend), they still outperform the US healthcare system in almost every single category: sometimes, absurdly so.Despite NHS' problems, it would be a massive upgrade for the average US resident.
Which, if NHS is as in poor of health (damn, 2 puns in the some point) as you imply, how much more poorly does that speak to the USA's healthcare system?
I don't see why the USA can't have both systems in place, if you want more buy more.
I'll bet if some right wing study groups came out and showed a boost in producitivity levels for US workers and increased profitability for businesses then a national healthcase system would be put in place tomorrow.
Even if it didn't increase profitability for businesses it could still be a HUGE benefit to them since they would no longer have lost man hours managing group health plans with renewals etc etc not having to worry about COBRA which is monitored by the IRS etc etc
Originally posted by ScribbleI trust big business over government funded health because if big business fails, the consequences are enormously damaging to that name, company, corp, everyone involved, whereas a government would just vote in the opposition and continue with the system.
Why do you not trust the government, but you do trust Big Business? That seems like a really stupid position to take.
Originally posted by dadudemonIt may be an upgrade, it may not. The problem with the US is you guys have states that don't want a federal healthcare system. ..................... None of the states want a federal system.................
As Scribbity Scrib McScribbles pointed out, the UK's healthcare system, NHS, despite the funding and inefficiency sicknesses (which are supposed to be on the mend), they still outperform the US healthcare system in almost every single category: sometimes, absurdly so.Despite NHS' problems, it would be a massive upgrade for the average US resident.
Which, if NHS is as in poor of health (damn, 2 puns in the some point) as you imply, how much more poorly does that speak to the USA's healthcare system?
The US situation is so complex, I don't even know where to begin.
I think the best bet for the US right now would be a public option. Best of both worlds right there. People who want government run healthcare can buy into it and those who don't can continue buying private insurance. This would also have the added benefit of forcing the private insurance companies to compete against the prices of the government run healthcare which would lower prices for everyone because the government doesn't have to worry about making profits for their shareholders or anything, just breaking even, or getting as close to that as they can. Also would act as a bit of a test to see if large scale government run healthcare could work in the US.
Originally posted by BackFireThat sounds a lot like ObamaCare but the issue with it is the insurance companies are simply too powerful and ObamaCare pulled money from the users which resulted in more problems.
I think the best bet for the US right now would be a public option. Best of both worlds right there. People who want government run healthcare can buy into it and those who don't can continue buying private insurance. This would also have the added benefit of forcing the private insurance companies to compete against the prices of the government run healthcare which would lower prices for everyone because the government doesn't have to worry about making profits for their shareholders or anything, just breaking even, or getting as close to that as they can. Also would act as a bit of a test to see if large scale government run healthcare could work in the US.
It'll be a long day before the USA gets socialised medicine, and no state would even dare be the first to have it.
Originally posted by BackFire
I think the best bet for the US right now would be a public option. Best of both worlds right there. People who want government run healthcare can buy into it and those who don't can continue buying private insurance. This would also have the added benefit of forcing the private insurance companies to compete against the prices of the government run healthcare which would lower prices for everyone because the government doesn't have to worry about making profits for their shareholders or anything, just breaking even, or getting as close to that as they can. Also would act as a bit of a test to see if large scale government run healthcare could work in the US.
This would have a much larger affect then you think. Since most health insurance is provided from employers, I could easily see how a majority of business owners would scrap their plans and tell everyone to join the pool.
In essence it would crush private insurance and the state would pick up most of the employed individuals for coverage.
I'm not sure how much competition would come into play........hmm streamline my business or continue to throw hundreds of hours at a business that has nothing to do with my day to day operations.