Originally posted by JayDaDonBane stomping Bruce's entire rogue gallery when they were all amped on Venom *was* a much better feat, tbh.
He's the strongest and most dangerous of Batman's rogues gallery if not close to it. That feat doesnt amaze me all that much.
That said, this is still a Bane like we have never seen. He's amped on a ridiculous amount of Venom, and he's PISSED. 👆
Originally posted by Zack Mshe expected for him to have human strength and she said so herself. Cage has knocked out the thing, is implied to have beaten colossus, fought the Juggernaut (in the very same arc that Kain evenly fought king Hyperion), knocked out rhino (twice), knocked out iron clad, evenly fought proxima midnight and was drawing blood (she recently took hits from Thor without any problem), put the hulk on his ass (on two separate occasions btw), and managed to hurt namor underwater. Even if we did pretend that Jason's feats on venom translate to bane's feats on venom (they shouldn't because everyone has a different reaction to venom), Luke still has way more showings that shit all over suprising a character that's going easy on you because they think you're a normal human.
Bane SHOULD actually be able to contend with Cage. Jason Todd with the same Venom (I think it was with the same Venom) easily broke free from SUPERGIRL. That's probably a lot more impressive than what Cage has done on average.
It's also worth noting that Luke can and has taken hits from heralds (proxima, namor, heroim the shamed, ms marvel, blue marvel, etc) and he's still kept coming. Bane really has no sort of answer to Luke's showings.
Originally posted by deathslash
she expected for him to have human strength and she said so herself. Cage has knocked out the thing, is implied to have beaten colossus, fought the Juggernaut (in the very same arc that Kain evenly fought king Hyperion), knocked out rhino (twice), knocked out iron clad, evenly fought proxima midnight and was drawing blood (she recently took hits from Thor without any problem), put the hulk on his ass (on two separate occasions btw), and managed to hurt namor underwater. Even if we did pretend that Jason's feats on venom translate to bane's feats on venom (they shouldn't because everyone has a different reaction to venom), Luke still has way more showings that shit all over suprising a character that's going easy on you because they think you're a normal human.It's also worth noting that Luke can and has taken hits from heralds (proxima, namor, heroim the shamed, ms marvel, blue marvel, etc) and he's still kept coming. Bane really has no sort of answer to Luke's showings.
While on Venom was able to break Supergirl's grip off, this is the second time he broke her grip, the first time she was adjusting her power since she thought he was of humane strength but now she was prepared for his strength but he still broke out.
He did it twice. Supergirl>>>All of the characters you mentioned. 😉
Originally posted by deathslashYou're totally right in saying that everyone has a different reaction to Venom. However, it has been iterated and reiterated(especially in DCnU) that Bane is far and away superior to all other Venom-users... So take that for what it's worth.
Even if we did pretend that Jason's feats on venom translate to bane's feats on venom (they shouldn't because everyone has a different reaction to venom),
srug
Originally posted by Zack Mstill holding back, bane still loses.
He did it twice. Supergirl>>>All of the characters you mentioned. 😉
Originally posted by Zack MI accept your concession. 😄
Nice. 👆 I concede.
Originally posted by Galan007meh, the batfamily tends to get wanked pretty hard by the writers and that showing that Batman had while on venom was still happening when DC was still kind of in flux because the new52 only just started, so a few nonsensical high end canon destabilizing showings are to be expected. Kind of like how Gambit was able to evenly fight and injure gladiator during his first few appearances.
You're totally right in saying that everyone has a different reaction to Venom. However, it has been iterated and reiterated(especially in DCnU) that Bane is far and away superior to all other Venom-users... So take that for what it's worth.srug
Originally posted by Zack Mthree characters? Grundy fluctates, so i would hardly count that, jason is a skilled martial artist (knows how to break grapples) and breaking free of a character that's holding back is hardly top teir. Meanwhile, Bruce's feat happend while DC was still in flux. Three showings does not compete with almost fifty years of showings. Unless bane can suddenly strike harder than juggernaut, blue marvel, proxima midnight, wrecker, rhino, she-hulk, heroim, or the thing, he loses. Also, how good is bane exactly, he can fight evenly with batman, but cage can and has still fought evenly with spider-man, daredevil, and iron fist, hell, he's tagged living laser before. Cage has also been fighting since he was a child and he's even been trained in h2h by iron fist.
But we've seen 3 characters on Venom do top tier/low-mid herald things. Now that I think of it, Bane can compete. He's also a better fighter.
Originally posted by deathslash
three characters? Grundy fluctates, so i would hardly count that, jason is a skilled martial artist (knows how to break grapples) and breaking free of a character that's holding back is hardly top teir. Meanwhile, Bruce's feat happend while DC was still in flux. Three showings does not compete with almost fifty years of showings. Unless bane can suddenly strike harder than juggernaut, blue marvel, proxima midnight, wrecker, rhino, she-hulk, heroim, or the thing, he loses. Also, how good is bane exactly, he can fight evenly with batman, but cage can and has still fought evenly with spider-man, daredevil, and iron fist, hell, he's tagged living laser before. Cage has also been fighting since he was a child and he's even been trained in h2h by iron fist.
Three showings on top of Bane's already solid record. He's gone up against characters who are close to Cage and this was the inferior Venom, too.
Originally posted by Zack Myou're only looking at this from one point of view, cage has gone up against far more powerful characters than himself and still won. What makes bane (who is undeniably physically inferior) win against a guy whose averages put him in the high meta level and whose high end feats put him in the mid to high herald tier? Do you believe that bane could do as well as cage did against rhino, wrecker, venom, Ms marvel, the thing, namor, or the hulk?
Three showings on top of Bane's already solid record. He's gone up against characters who are close to Cage and this was the inferior Venom, too.
Do you want to get into a lifting debate? We both know that Cage has better strength feats.
Do you want to get into a durability debate? We both know that Cage has taken punches from heralds and kept fighting without a problem. Hell, he tanked a nuke and only died from radiation.
Do you want to debate speed? Bane may be faster, but that's arguable since cage has still tagged the likes of spider-man and living laser (look at that nice high end showing that should be discounted because of how utterly rediculous it is).
What in you opinion makes bane (a character with a history of having trouble/losing to street levelers) beat Luke Cage?
Originally posted by Zack MI would assume that the "mast of 127 styles" would at least teach the kid how to break a grapple or that he at least picked it up when he trained with the league of assassin's.
And when was it stated Jason is skilled at breaking grapples?
