Luke Cage Vs Bane with venom · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Zack M Senior Member

Originally posted by deathslash
you're only looking at this from one point of view, cage has gone up against far more powerful characters than himself and still won. What makes bane (who is undeniably physically inferior) win against a guy whose averages put him in the high meta level and whose high end feats put him in the mid to high herald tier? Do you believe that bane could do as well as cage did against rhino, wrecker, venom, Ms marvel, the thing, namor, or the hulk?
Do you want to get into a lifting debate? We both know that Cage has better strength feats.
Do you want to get into a durability debate? We both know that Cage has taken punches from heralds and kept fighting without a problem. Hell, he tanked a nuke and only died from radiation.
Do you want to debate speed? Bane may be faster, but that's arguable since cage has still tagged the likes of spider-man and living laser (look at that nice high end showing that should be discounted because of how utterly rediculous it is).
What in you opinion makes bane (a character with a history of having trouble/losing to street levelers) beat Luke Cage? I would assume that the "mast of 127 styles" would at least teach the kid how to break a grapple or that he at least picked it up when he trained with the league of assassin's.

Bane has taken hits from heralds, too. A pissed off Superman comes to mind.

And Jason being an expert in MA doesn't mean he can easily grapple out of high level heralds grips. Now you're just downplaying that feat, just like you did the others.

krisblaze Senior Member

Hahahahaha

How ****ing retarded do you have to be, to think that Cage is high meta to high herald.

deathslash Pyromaniacal Humanitarian

Originally posted by Zack M
Bane has taken hits from heralds, too. A pissed off Superman comes to mind.
And Jason being an expert in MA doesn't mean he can easily grapple out of high level heralds grips. Now you're just downplaying that feat, just like you did the others.

when did he get hit by a pissed off Superman? What was the context and issue number?

Didn't say it was solely due to skill. She wasn't expecting him to be that strong and when she subdued him again, she softened up and tried asking him why he was so strong, at which point he pulled away again. Great feat, but hardly worthy of saying that bane can take this.

Also, how did I lowballing anything? Does Grundy or does he not fluctuate? Has Grundy been beaten by the likes of wildcat and Batman? Hell, even at his best, Grundy put up a fight and then got oneshotted by a non holding back Superman. I don't mean that he got knocked out, he straight up died. From. One. Punch.

Was Batman or was he not on venom at the start of the new52? Was this still when DC was testing the waters again? Has venom ever again shown that it can make its users capable of drawing blood from a Kryptonian? My statement is only supported by bane's showings. The guy struggled with killer croc even when he was on venom. Unless croc has become significantly more powerful, bane struggled with a low meta.

Zack M Senior Member

Originally posted by deathslash
when did he get hit by a pissed off Superman? What was the context and issue number?
Didn't say it was solely due to skill. She wasn't expecting him to be that strong and when she subdued him again, she softened up and tried asking him why he was so strong, at which point he pulled away again. Great feat, but hardly worthy of saying that bane can take this.
Also, how did I lowballing anything? Does Grundy or does he not fluctuate? Has Grundy been beaten by the likes of wildcat and Batman? Hell, even at his best, Grundy put up a fight and then got oneshotted by a non holding back Superman. I don't mean that he got knocked out, he straight up died. From. One. Punch.
Was Batman or was he not on venom at the start of the new52? Was this still when DC was testing the waters again? Has venom ever again shown that it can make its users capable of drawing blood from a Kryptonian? My statement is only supported by bane's showings. The guy struggled with killer croc even when he was on venom. Unless croc has become significantly more powerful, bane struggled with a low meta.

What do you mean, "testing the waters?" Batman drew blood from a high herald on Venom. Bane has been a beast from the very start, and he's getting more powerful through feats.

Grundy at his BEST is trans level, team buster. Like people said before, he fluctuates.

Here is the Superbat Vs Bane fight. Bane took a blow from Superman and endured his HEAT VISION.

Superbat Vs Bane

I don't want to post the whole fight.

Supermutant Senior Member

Originally posted by deathslash
The guy struggled with killer croc even when he was on venom. Unless croc has become significantly more powerful, bane struggled with a low meta.

Croc has only one good showing against Bane. And that was after Bane was poisoned by Poison Ivy. Bane usually beats the hell out of Killer Croc.

deathslash Pyromaniacal Humanitarian

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hahahahaha
How ****ing retarded do you have to be, to think that Cage is high meta to high herald.

His showings clearly paint him as being at least a mid meta and he's likely a high meta. His top their showings paint him in a favorable light against even heralds (proxima, wonder man, hulk, blue marvel, iron clad, etc). It's no different from how Batman is clearly a high street and then his top showings put him in the mid meta tier. I'm not saying that Cage is a high herald, but he's definitely capable of beating a good amount of high metas.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Croc has only one good showing against Bane. And that was after Bane was poisoned by Poison Ivy. Bane usually beats the hell out of Killer Croc.

wrong, in his world war bane comic (genuinely forgot the name of the arc), croc put up a good fight before losing. That still counts as struggling.

Supermutant Senior Member

Originally posted by deathslash
wrong, in his world war bane comic (genuinely forgot the name of the arc), croc put up a good fight before losing. That still counts as struggling.

You couldn't be anymore wrong here is the entire fight. Croc only got like 3 hits in which he did very little damage. Then he got curb-stomped by Bane using a giant bat symbol and thrown from the top of a skyscraper helplessly. Not to mention the other times that Bane has broke his arm and beat him down while he and other bat villains where on venom.

VS Killer Croc Round 3

Smurph tu quoqumber

This match isn't even close. There are feats of Luke Cage holding his own or even beating a number of high metas and heralds. All that Bane has are feats of getting hit by heralds, or of a different character (not Bane) breaking out of a grip.

And no, they're not in the same class of strength, by a noticeable margin.

krisblaze Senior Member

What heralds have cage beaten?

High meta doesnt mean much because they dont necessarily have superhuman durability and shit. Wolverine could one-shot half the high meta tier.

Sin I AM Madame Mort

Originally posted by krisblaze
What heralds have cage beaten?
High meta doesnt mean much because they dont necessarily have superhuman durability and shit. Wolverine could one-shot half the high meta tier.

He can one shot a few trans as well

Zack M Senior Member

Originally posted by Smurph
This match isn't even close. There are feats of Luke Cage holding his own or even beating a number of high metas and heralds. All that Bane has are feats of getting hit by heralds, or of a different character (not Bane) breaking out of a grip.
And no, they're not in the same class of strength, by a noticeable margin.

Solomon Grundy, Hourman and Hawkman aren't high metas? 🙁

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Cage is a character that makes no sense.

*punches Hulk*

LOOK HOW BLACK I AM

*Hulk reverts to Kluth*

OH NO I'M NOT BLACK ENOUGH

...

deathslash Pyromaniacal Humanitarian

Originally posted by Supermutant
You couldn't be anymore wrong here is the entire fight. Croc only got like 3 hits in which he did very little damage. Then he got curb-stomped by Bane using a giant bat symbol and thrown from the top of a skyscraper helplessly. Not to mention the other times that Bane has broke his arm and beat him down while he and other bat villains where on venom.
VS Killer Croc Round 3

you might want to look over your own scans in a more analytical light. Bane more or less jumped him from behind and when croc did hit him, it drew blood. When croc bit him, his teeth broke the skin and bane shouted in pain. When croc hit him for the third time, it still knocked bane back. Bane won by way of using a blunt object to bludgeon croc with. Before that point in time, it looked to be 50/50. Seriously, look back over those scans and then try to genuinely tell me that bane wasn't struggling. If you and I got in a fight and I landed three hits (all of which draw blood) while you're wearing and armored suit and you have to resort to beating me with a baseball bat, would I or would I not have made you struggle for the victory?

I won't argue that bane doesn't have a good track record against him, he's won almost every time that they've fought. They've fought about four times? Out of those times, croc has pulled one victory and lost twice with one fight (in the sewers while Crocs arms were in casts) being undecided.

Originally posted by krisblaze
What heralds have cage beaten?
High meta doesnt mean much because they dont necessarily have superhuman durability and shit. Wolverine could one-shot half the high meta tier.

Not saying he's beaten any heralds, but he has drawn blood from proxima midnight, drawn blood from Juggernaut, drawn blood from namor underwater, put the hulk on his ass (twice), and taken down iron clad (I suppose that counts as a low herald?).

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Cage has had some serious feats, but no writer actually gives him any REAL panel time, because... he's a non-character.

Bane, on the other hand... you can write entire volumes about him.

Cage may win this, but not a single comic fan will enjoy it.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

PM wasn't all that impressive durability wise. Just chipping in.

deathslash Pyromaniacal Humanitarian

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cage has had some serious feats, but no writer actually gives him any REAL panel time, because... he's a non-character.
Bane, on the other hand... you can write entire volumes about him.
Cage may win this, but not a single comic fan will enjoy it.

I enjoy seeing cage beat down people just to see how some people's jimmies get rustled over it.

Supermutant Senior Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cage may win this, but not a single comic fan will enjoy it.

😂

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Originally posted by deathslash
I enjoy seeing cage beat down people just to see how some people's jimmies get rustled over it.

Indeed.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

👆

Powerless weak-ass Panther, too.

Supermutant Senior Member

Originally posted by Zack M
...but it's not like Bane doesn't have victories over guys like Hourman or Hawkman.

What issue did Bane fight Hawkman?