Originally posted by Silent Master
At no point in that audio does he state that the intruders didn't try and attack or threaten him before he shot. so what proof do you have that it wasn't self-defense?
Very beginning, 911 dispatcher confirms back (because recording had not yet started) that they were trying to break into the house and he open fire on them.
Also, it says right there in the video description that the weapons were found on their bodies, not before.
Look....I just beat you at your own game. You're not even talking about the topic.
Originally posted by Robtard
He tried that same time-waster-troll tactic on me as well, I advised he read the story as it seems he didn't.
It's so weird...I do not understand why he wants to argue with me. We agree on his point. I think we should be able to make Swiss cheese out of home invaders. Many people do not.
Originally posted by Surtur
Well wait man this is an entirely different question than what you originally asked, don't you agree? Like I said, I agree that if you clearly know people do not mean you any harm it is wrong.
I disagree. That's exactly my question: can you kill home invaders when you're not being physically threatened? Some states, you can. Some states, you can't.
Originally posted by Surtur
It was not clear in the article that this man was aware they were making no attempt to harm them or that they posed no danger.
We cannot use the "well, I was ignorant of this one particular case" argument. This case was national news and has made the internet rounds. Anyone can alleviate their ignorance on this case but looking up anything related to it.
Regardless, there is still the question I posed in the OP: is it okay to kill intruders? Was the man right or wrong to kill them?
Obviously, I want people to explain their reasoning.
Originally posted by Surtur
How did they break in? The articles do not seem to say. I ask because there is a comment from the dailycaller article that says this:"The original reports were that these guys broke into the house, via a glass door, with brass knuckles and a knife. How is it NOT self defense. And I can tell you, I would not disarm until the police were actually outside my room and have the house cleared."
If they smashed through a glass door to get in..I can understand why the guy freaked out and shot without allowing them to get close enough to potentially do him harm.
And another place also indicates that those weapons were found on them, not armed with them, meaning, they put them away and the shooter had no way to know they had them.
Unless the shooter isn't stating that they threatened, verbally? It just so happens that he never made that claim: I cannot find that anywhere.
Originally posted by Surtur
This is true it is vague as to what specifically went down. Having now listened to the 911 call, he goes on to say he didn't even get a good look at them, so it sounds like they broke into his house and he panicked and shot at them.
Yes, that's exactly what happened and his own words state that (he didn't say panicked). There are several news stories on this and other than an off the record threat of violent from them, nothing happened that we know of from the reports and 911 call OTHER THAN he heard them break in, he got his gun, and shot them immediately after he saw them.
Originally posted by Surtur
I guess the question would then be if he should have risked his own life by waiting, since if it turned out they were armed or something that could have given them time to use their weapons.
See, this is where you and I agree. I don't know the answer. Still sad to see loss of any human life... 🙁
But they were breaking in and so they knew the risks, especially in Oklahoma, that they might get shot. It is something all people from around here know: trespass, get shot. Break in, get shot.
They wanted a quick buck. I knew kids who would do this stuff when I was in high school. They use it for weed, drugs, and beer.