Originally posted by Surtur😆
Remember, it took just a few muslims to kill thousands of people on 9/11, just a few. We have over a billion muslims, let us say only 5% are extremists. 5% sure sounds low, but 5% of 1 billion is still millions upon millions of people. So again, it took just a few to kill thousands, and there are potentially millions more where that came from.That's kinda why the term "Islamaphobia" is stupid. It's not a phobia when you have potentially millions of extremists., it's common sense.
What a moron.
And so much for white supremacy having nothing to do with these anti-muslim topics:
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
There have been 30,602 Muslim terror attacks since 9/11.Only 6% of terror attacks are by Muslims
7% of terrorism is by Jewish extremists
66% of terror attacks are by leftists and Latinos
[b]If I could deport all Latinos, Jews and Muslims I would. We would have a nice clean world as Hitler wanted.
Although I do love blacks, so I would have to put up with their crime and heavy breeding [/B]
Originally posted by NemeBro
Show me, my son.
Thank you, so it seems like the Bible the Quran does preach violence against nonbelievers, though the Quran is somewhat more tolerant because it accepts the possibility of fealty rather than eradication. So how do you propose convincing Muslims to become like the majority of Christians and be fake believers?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Thank you, so it seems like the Bible the Quran does preach violence against nonbelievers, though the Quran is somewhat more tolerant because it accepts the possibility of fealty rather than eradication. So how do you propose convincing Muslims to become like the majority of Christians and be fake believers?
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The fanatics don't consider them to be real(or good enough) Muslims.
Ergo, the term fanatics. And not a representative of the rest of the worlds muslims, or their religion.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
One of many:
I'd suggest actually reading the Quran in full instead of grabbing a couple of verses from a hate website and taking them completely literally on their own.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Islam needs to go through the process of reformation and enlightenment the way Christianity and the West in general did. How do I propose that happen? Well, I think it's already basically happening and Islamism and the violence associated with it is, I believe, a symptom of growing pains.
Except the current violence is more of a symptom of the growing pain inflicted on arab and muslim countries by the U.S. and the West in general.
It's a bit of a strange philosophy to invade their countries, keep troops stationed over their holy land, destabilise their nations, and then to claim they need to reform due to the psychos who've come about as a result.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ergo, the term fanatics. And not a representative of the rest of the worlds muslims, or their religion.I'd suggest actually reading the Quran in full instead of grabbing a couple of verses from a hate website and taking them completely literally on their own.
Except the current violence is more of a symptom of the growing pain inflicted on arab and muslim countries by the U.S. and the West in general.
It's a bit of a strange philosophy to invade their countries, keep troops stationed over their holy land, destabilise their nations, and then to claim they need to reform due to the psychos who've come about as a result.
The Quran is full of verses that encourage hate and violence. The quote stands very well on its own: it's ordering Muslims to fight and oppress unbelievers.
It's more of a symptom of Salafism which predates US foreign policy by more than a century, and really, religious psychos have always existed in every religion. Though I admit it's true that the foreign policy directed at the Middle East mainly by the US hasn't helped things one bit, to think that there are no monsters other than ourselves and the ones we've created is childishly naive.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
They represent Islam more than you'd like to think. They aren't doing anything that could not be justified by the Quran or the Hadiths.
Again not if you read those things as a whole and in context.
Heck even if you just posted the verses immediately prior and after the one you posted it looks very different:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/03/04/quran-95-sword-verse/amp/
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryThe Quran is full of verses that encourage hate and violence. The quote stands very well on its own: it's ordering Muslims to fight and oppress unbelievers.
It's not "full" of verses. But yes there are multiple verses if taken on their own would seem like they are encouraging hate. But that's why there's the whole rest of the Quran which puts those few verses in context and repeatedly preaches being good people, to give to charity, to feed orphans, to not discriminate, to free slaves, to respect people of the book (Christians and Jews) and so on and so forth e.t.c.
Of course it doesn't stand on its own Lol.
Heck forget the whole Quran, you only need to read a few other verses from that chapter and it looks completely different.
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryIt's more of a symptom of Salafism which predates US foreign policy by more than a century, and really, religious psychos have always existed in every religion. Though I admit it's true that the foreign policy directed at the Middle East mainly by the US hasn't helped things one bit, to think that there are no monsters other than ourselves and the ones we've created is childishly naive.
Salafism has been around for a while, but this current string of terror attacks everywhere is a very recent phenomenon.
Not sure what your point is here. You accept there's monsters in every religion and on both sides, and that our foreign policy towards that side of the world hasn't exactly helped.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again not if you read those things as a whole and in context.Heck even if you just posted the verses immediately prior and after the one you posted it looks very different:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/03/04/quran-95-sword-verse/amp/
It's not "full" of verses. But yes there are multiple verses if taken on their own would seem like they are encouraging hate. But that's why there's the whole rest of the Quran which puts those few verses in context and repeatedly preaches being good people, to give to charity, to feed orphans, to not discriminate, to free slaves, to respect people of the book (Christians and Jews) and so on and so forth e.t.c.
Of course it doesn't stand on its own Lol.
Heck forget the whole Quran, you only need to read a few other verses from that chapter and it looks completely different.
Salafism has been around for a while, but this current string of terror attacks everywhere is a very recent phenomenon.
Not sure what your point is here. You accept there's monsters in every religion and on both sides, and that our foreign policy towards that side of the world hasn't exactly helped.
Well, there are about a hundred verses that condone violence or can be interpreted that way. All of the nice and supposedly benevolent verses in the Quran do not cancel out all the nasty, violent, and oppressive shit that it is in it.
It's really only because how globalized the world has become. Prior to the modern age, all of the fighting and other nastiness was contained to the Middle East and other Islamic areas/countries. It's only relatively recently that it's spilled over to the rest of the world.
What my point is that it's ultimately not the US foreign policy that created these monsters, it was Islam, or more precisely, Salafism/Wahhabism.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Discover-the-truth.com is part of the honor brigade whose job it is to whitewash Islam to the maximum extent possible so I take whatever they say with a massive pinch of salt. Anyway, that's a massive page so it would be nice if you could point me to the exact part that says that when the Quran tells you to make holy war on the infidels and oppress them, it's not what it's actually saying.Well, there are about a hundred verses that condone violence or can be interpreted that way. All of the nice and supposedly benevolent verses in the Quran do not cancel out all the nasty, violent, and oppressive shit that it is in it.
It's really only because how globalized the world has become. Prior to the modern age, all of the fighting and other nastiness was contained to the Middle East and other Islamic areas/countries. It's only relatively recently that it's spilled over to the rest of the world.
What my point is that it's ultimately not the US foreign policy that created these monsters, it was Islam, or more precisely, Salafism/Wahhabism.
People always end up ignoring the utterly toxic religion that is at the root of all of this. Seriously, what is it about Islam? You know the narrative about Donald Trump where he can say or do anything and not suffer any real consequences? Yeah, Islam is the religious embodiment of Trump. There always seems to be an excuse about why it's not really Islam, but something else. And if you dare to disagree? You're an Islamaphobe.
The geniuses that espouse that idea need to stop. You see they whine about people saying this is all muslims(despite not a lot of people saying that), but when you adopt their attitude they do that this isn't Islam...you see one extreme isn't any better than the other and it causes more extremists on each side. In other words pretending this has nothing to do with Islam is just as bad as pretending every single muslim is a terrorist.
Originally posted by Surtur
People always end up ignoring the utterly toxic religion that is at the root of all of this. Seriously, what is it about Islam? You know the narrative about Donald Trump where he can say or do anything and not suffer any real consequences? Yeah, Islam is the religious embodiment of Trump. There always seems to be an excuse about why it's not really Islam, but something else. And if you dare to disagree? You're an Islamaphobe.The geniuses that espouse that idea need to stop. You see they whine about people saying this is all muslims(despite not a lot of people saying that), but when you adopt their attitude they do that this isn't Islam...you see one extreme isn't any better than the other and it causes more extremists on each side. In other words pretending this has nothing to do with Islam is just as bad as pretending every single muslim is a terrorist.
I remember Douglas Murray saying something along the lines of: "When you have one president who insists that Islam has less to do with terrorism than any other religion(Obama), then you're inevitably going to get someone who insists that muslims shouldn't even be allowed into the country(Trump). It's like Yin and Yang of extremes and both are toxic to reasonable debate."