Originally posted by Surtur
Sandyhook, San Bernadino, Dylan Roof, Pulse Nightclub shooting. All were used as an excuse to push an anti-gun agenda. We did not really see an uproar over that, despite doing the same thing they accuse Trump of: using a tragedy to push an agenda. I'm just sick and tired of the hypocrisy.
said the little guy who's politicizing mass-murders in this very quote. special rules for our special baby.
...but since you brought it up:
http://www.newsweek.com/newtown-shooting-threat-conspiracy-theory-guilty-plea-615653
sandy-hook denier, programmed by alex jones + mental illness, going to prison for threatening father of six year old. imagine that, bad enough your 6 year old child is executed. bad enough also that you're being accused by alex jones of faking it in front of millions of his loyal retards. and now you threats from his minions.
here comes the casual dismissals about how the right it allowed to ignore their own crazy base. yet if you're on the left you have to own every individual person and their actions. #SpecialRulesSnowflakes
Originally posted by Bashar TegSurtur retreats to his safe space.
...but since you brought it up:http://www.newsweek.com/newtown-shooting-threat-conspiracy-theory-guilty-plea-615653
sandy-hook denier, programmed by alex jones + mental illness, going to prison for threatening father of six year old. imagine that, bad enough your 6 year old child is executed. bad enough also that you're being accused by alex jones of faking it in front of millions of his loyal retards. and now you threats from his minions.
here comes the casual dismissals about how the right it allowed to ignore their own crazy base. yet if you're on the left you have to own every individual person and their actions. #SpecialRulesSnowflakes
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...but since you brought it up:http://www.newsweek.com/newtown-shooting-threat-conspiracy-theory-guilty-plea-615653
sandy-hook denier, programmed by alex jones + mental illness, going to prison for threatening father of six year old. imagine that, bad enough your 6 year old child is executed. bad enough also that you're being accused by alex jones of faking it in front of millions of his loyal retards. and now you threats from his minions.
here comes the casual dismissals about how the right it allowed to ignore their own crazy base. yet if you're on the left you have to own every individual person and their actions. #SpecialRulesSnowflakes
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...but since you brought it up:http://www.newsweek.com/newtown-shooting-threat-conspiracy-theory-guilty-plea-615653
sandy-hook denier, programmed by alex jones + mental illness, going to prison for threatening father of six year old. imagine that, bad enough your 6 year old child is executed. bad enough also that you're being accused by alex jones of faking it in front of millions of his loyal retards. and now you threats from his minions.
here comes the casual dismissals about how the right it allowed to ignore their own crazy base. yet if you're on the left you have to own every individual person and their actions. #SpecialRulesSnowflakes
I'm not sure why you think bringing up Alex Jones does anything. Do you think I'm an Alex Jones fan or something?
Nothing you just said negates my point about the hypocrisy of people complaining about Trump politicizing a tragedy when the left does it all the time, every single time there is a school shooting or a major shooting.
Oh and it's not just shootings. Hate crimes in general are sometimes used as well by the left. But yeah I think when the Democrats camped out inside a courtroom(with snacks and pillows) I think it was done in reaction to a shooting.
And why bring up Sandy Hook in this thread. If you want a School massacre that fits the thread topic....Here is one for you.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yup. people on the left have to own every single nutter, but special snowflake can selectively disown armies right wing lunatics. special rules for the special baby
What armies are selectively dismissed? I don't support Alex Jones and I do think he's a lunatic.
Also we have been through this before: the MSM is mostly left leaning. That is why I focus on the left more, because the MSM tends to do the opposite. It's the right that they focus on more.
But if someone on the right does something horrible it's not like I won't denounce it.
Originally posted by carthage
Thor might want to change his name to Mohammed
Originally posted by Blackknighting
I think it is pretty clear by now that Thor is a Muslim whose reasoning is tarnished by that religion. He will find excuses for everything. In addition he has drunk on the cup of black victim culture.
Lol.
What's the obsession with who or what I am?
Surely people should be able to tackle arguments on the basis of those arguments, and not on the basis of potential bias/prejudice to the source of those arguments.
But also how does it make sense again to learn about the Quran from Muslim haters?
P.s. Carthage you've done nothing on this thread to prove you're not a "Star Wars forum only" Troll.
Originally posted by Flyattractorit was your butt friend surt who brought it up. poor grandpa can't follow a discussion.
[b]And why bring up Sandy Hook in this thread. If you want a School massacre that fits the thread topic....Here is one for you.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
If they're attempting to rationalize away violence and hate in the Quran, then yeah. Logically, I'd go to the Torah, because both the Nazi and the Rabbi are very likely to be highly biased.
The difference is the Rabbi is far more likely to actually be learned to a scholarly level on the faith. Haters rarely are.
You can of course get non-Jews and non-Muslims who have academic credentials in Judaism and Islam, but they're not haters. Simply because a hater is not going to bother getting educated in those subjects to such high degrees.
They'd prefer to just pick out the odd verse which sounds bad.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The context actually makes that quote look worse, not better as it puts the default stance of Islam against unbelievers as war unless they specifically have a peace treaty signed. Once it expires, it's free game to kill, oppress and imprison.
What? LOL
The whole passage is clearly about specific non-muslims there was a peace treaty with but who continuously kept breaking it. It doesn't at all suggest it's talking about all non-muslims everywhere. That they better have a peace treaty signed or else.
Not that a peace treaty is a BAD thing Lol.
I take it you didn't even watch the video I linked explaining the context around that specific passage.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Here are some other lovely quotes from the Quran/Hadiths on what should be done with people who abandon Islam(apostates):
"They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Is this the Quran? At least quote the source and chapter so I can check for meaning and context.
Also seems like you ignored the verse of the Quran (60:8-9) I quoted about only fighting non-muslims who attack muslims. That clearly puts other "violent" versus anyone might pick out into context.
Can't take 1 verse on it's own and generally apply it. The Quran states that itself.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
"A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.""The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head."
"Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."(Don't forget to consider (2), which condones murdering people based on what they do in their bed).
^ Okay none of this is from the Quran (the book someone claimed tells all Muslims to kill non-muslims). I'm guessing because I've already posted the entire passage and context around the creme de la creme of violent versus in the Quran.
And this Apostate thing really has nothing to do with Islam vs The West, so no idea why you've brought it up.
Seems to me like you're just going to some hate website and picking out verses from the Quran (singled out from a passage clearly to be taken out of context), and the dodgiest Hadith's that can be singled out on top.
The agenda of the hate website is clearly to encourage hate towards muslims.
Yeah, Thor's pretty much making non arguments regarding the 164 verses in Koran that call for Jihad at this point. It doesn't matter who's citing them, all that matters is they exist.
I've come to the conclusion that there's simply a lot of black guys that defend islam as a knee-jerk reflex because they ultimately support anything that tears down predominantly white nations, as they're a symbolism of oppression, despite being the most open and tolerant societies in the current day.
Guys like Thor would rather be kings on an anti-white pile of rubble than equals in a race-blind utopia. So if 1% of muslims blow up a bunch of white people on the reg then that's not a bug, that's a feature. Note that he doesn't even waste a single breath identifying with the victims of terrorism in our nations. He jumps straight to how we're a bunch bigots for not treating islam as 'a religion of peace'.
Addendium : sucking the cock of islam isn't going to help you as a black man in the UK Thor. As more people understand the truth of this religion and more people are being killed because of it, it will probably do the opposite.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The difference is the Rabbi is far more likely to actually be learned to a scholarly level on the faith. Haters rarely are.You can of course get non-Jews and non-Muslims who have academic credentials in Judaism and Islam, but they're not haters. Simply because a hater is not going to bother getting educated in those subjects to such high degrees.
They'd prefer to just pick out the odd verse which sounds bad.
What? LOL
The whole passage is clearly about specific non-muslims there was a peace treaty with but who continuously kept breaking it. It doesn't at all suggest it's talking about all non-muslims everywhere. That they better have a peace treaty signed or else.
Not that a peace treaty is a BAD thing Lol.
I take it you didn't even watch the video I linked explaining the context around that specific passage.
Is this the Quran? At least quote the source and chapter so I can check for meaning and context.
Also seems like you ignored the verse of the Quran (60:8-9) I quoted about only fighting non-muslims who attack muslims. That clearly puts other "violent" versus anyone might pick out into context.
Can't take 1 verse on it's own and generally apply it. The Quran states that itself.
^ Okay none of this is from the Quran (the book someone claimed tells all Muslims to kill non-muslims). I'm guessing because I've already posted the entire passage and context around the creme de la creme of violent versus in the Quran.
And this Apostate thing really has nothing to do with Islam vs The West, so no idea why you've brought it up.
Seems to me like you're just going to some hate website and picking out verses from the Quran (singled out from a passage clearly to be taken out of context), and the dodgiest Hadith's that can be singled out on top.
The agenda of the hate website is clearly to encourage hate towards muslims.
What I mean is that it clearly states that it's OK to kill and oppress, unless you specifically have a treaty signed. It states that when the holy months are up, you can do whatever the hell you want with the infidels. This is exactly the opposite of how most decent civilizations operate, where it's only OK to wage war when there's an actual declaration of war. I watched maybe 5 minutes until it became clear that the guy is part of the honor brigade and realized that I could not trust a word he was saying in defense of Islam because of his huge investment in it.
It's from the Quran and the Hadiths.
That quote is canceled out by the ones that condone and even encourage violence.
Actually, the apostate thing has everything to do with Islam vs the West as it shows how toxic/authoritarian Islam is, and that obviously spills over into the ideological conflict with Western values.