Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yeah, and the Rabbi is also very likely to have a massive emotional investment in his religion and try to make it look as good as possible.
There's bound to be bias, yeah. But at least Rabbi scholars learn about it to a scholarly level. Nazis, or Anti-Semites do not.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
What I mean is that it clearly states that it's OK to kill and oppress, unless you specifically have a treaty signed.
No it doesn't. Read every line again:
9:6- And if anyone of the polytheists asks you for protection, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God; then escort him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It states that when the holy months are up, you can do whatever the hell you want with the infidels.
That was 9:5. I just quoted 9:6 for you. Try to read the passage as a whole in context.
The 4 months was basically giving the Pagan Arabs time to leave.
These verses were specifically aimed at the Pagan Arabs who'd attacked and fought against Muhammad and his people from day 1. And even after agreeing to peace they still kept breaking those peace treaties. And these verses were saying "enough's enough, we can't trust you, either join us or you have 4 months to leave."
And yet still you're told in 9:6 that if any of them want to disassociate themselves from the rest of the Pagans, and ask for protection they'll be granted it.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
This is exactly the opposite of how most decent civilizations operate, where it's only OK to wage war when there's an actual declaration of war.
Breaking peace treaties and continuously attacking your people usually is taken as a declaration of war.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I watched maybe 5 minutes until it became clear that the guy is part of the honor brigade and realized that I could not trust a word he was saying in defense of Islam because of his huge investment in it.
So you basically admit you're not willing to listen to what any actual learned Muslim has to say about his own book?
Regardless That guy has a Massive following among the Muslim community, so this is what Mainstream Muslims believe.
Also you're still acting like haters have no agenda, or are somehow more learned in the Quran and more trustworthy Lol
He was giving the factual context. You can look up yourself when those verses were revealed and who to. It wasn't to Every Non-Muslim, because that wouldn't even have made sense. It was specifically to the Pagan Arabs who'd wanted Muhammad destroyed from Day 1. You don't need to be an Islamist apologist or a Hater to fact check. However with a subject like this, it wouldn't be a simple fact check, you'd have to do a bit of research. If you can't be bothered with that, then I'd suggest not making up your own interpretation of those verses.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It's from the Quran and the Hadiths.
What chapter and verse of the Quran? I've already seen you isolate a single verse taking it out of context from a passage, because I happened to know what verse/passage that was.
Whilst others just took the verse you gave at face value, without even questioning what verse that was and checking the passage themselves.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
That quote is canceled out by the ones that condone and even encourage violence.
LOL How can that be cancelled out when it's specifically putting the "violent" verses into context.
Even the verses you're claiming encourage violence really aren't. Not when you read the entire passage, or God forbid the entire Quran.
Do you want me to start posting passages from the Quran that show it to be a humanitarian message? Because we'd be here all day if I did.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Actually, the apostate thing has everything to do with Islam vs the West as it shows how toxic/authoritarian Islam is, and that obviously spills over into the ideological conflict with Western values.
It has absolutely nothing to do with terrorist attacks.
I could quote for you "There is no compulsion in Islam" from the Quran 2:256, but you're likely to say that's also cancelled out, despite no Islamic text ever claiming it to be so.
Muhammad's sayings require a lot more historic and situational context than the Quran, because they're isolated sayings in response to a specific question, or situation. How many times are politicians quoted out of context? And it's not like Muhammad is available for a question/answer session.
Fact is you've been brainwashed to believe the Quran and Muhmmad gave a violent message, which simply isn't true. They advocate fighting (which is in the form of killing) at times simply for the Religion to survive all the hate and violence it was receiving.
But Muslims really don't believe in the interpretation you're pulling from whatever hate website, likely because they've actually read the Quran and studied a good portion of Muhammad's life.