Why do people still take Maul seriously?
The ending of Season 3 confirms to anyone who isn't biased that Old Master Maul is low tier. Yet people still claim he can beat Cin Drallig/Shaak Ti in spite of constant losses to skilled opponents. Why is it that Maul Fanboys can't accept he is trash even after his loss to Kanan and getting destroyed by Obi Wan in three moves? Who is an actual opponent that Fodder like Maul can beat?
Originally posted by carthage
Ahsoka wouldn't lose to Kanan, or die to Obi Wan in 3 moves, or struggle with a dog, or get cut in half by TPM Kenobi, or fail to kill Obi Wan with Savages help, or get choked by a fodder Chinese Jedi, or admit he couldn't beat Vader alone
Doesn't change the fact that he fought almost evenly against Ahsoka in a time he's past his prime. So chances are Prime Maul is a good match for Rebels Ahsoka.
Also Rebels Maul is just Maul. He's no longer a Darth.
Darth Maul is the guy who battered Qui-Gon Jinn and stomped Savage Opress, and fought back and forth against a serious TCW Kenobi.
Filoni clearly disrespected the character, but him and Witwer did bring his Intellect and Knowledge of Sith arts to the table.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
maul wasn't past his prime. Why are maul fans are so desperate to stop maul's prime from being raised?
Because you're not raising his prime, you're degrading his Prime to be someone who can get beaten by Kanan, and is not even capable of engaging Kenobi.
Whereas TCW/SOD Maul never had losses against someone of Kanan's caliber, and was capable of engaging Mace Windu.
You keep harping on about a single circumstantial showing against an amped character who tcw/sod maul has never faced as if that means something. Powerscaling means that maul in his new prime can replicate and exceed the showings of his past incarnations. Rebels Maul also can compete with windu and can also compete tcw kenobi to a greater degree. Furthermore Rebels Maul is no longer restricted by the limitations of his tcw incarnations(being <dooku, being less skilled as a duelist than tcw kenobi and grevious). Its actually possible for this maul, by virtue of being more powerful and more skilled than his tcw counterpart to be>dooku.
If Kanan can legitmately contend with maul or beat him(which he can;t) that just raises Kanan, it doesn;t at all lower maul. If Kenobi could legitimately threeshot maul(though as rebels recon should make obvious, he can't in the context of a typical lightsaber duel), that would just raise kenobi, not lower maul
Also, as has been addressed multiple times, maul wouldn't have been stomped by kenobi had it not been for the specific type of fighting they were going after. He would have lost which isn't at all outside of sod maul's capablities given he was struggling with even tcw kenobi
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You keep harping on about a single circumstantial showing against an amped character who tcw/sod maul has never faced as if that means something. Powerscaling means that maul in his new prime can replicate and exceed the showings of his past incarnations. Rebels Maul also can compete with windu and can also compete tcw kenobi to a greater degree. Furthermore Rebels Maul is no longer restricted by the limitations of his tcw incarnations(being <dooku, being less skilled as a duelist than tcw kenobi and grevious). Its actually possible for this maul, by virtue of being more powerful and more skilled than his tcw counterpart to be>dooku.
So let's see, I keep harping on about Maul's lowest showing to date to prove he's not in his prime, and that's somehow illogical to you?
It's baseless powerscaling though. According to implications by both Filoni and Witwer and even by Maul himself, Maul's past his prime. Which is supported by canon feats and showings.
Rebels Maul's clearly not Dooku's equal. You think Dooku could lose to Kanan or not even be a challenge for Kenobi? Lol no.
I'd personally give "Revival" chicken legs Maul the best shot at defeating Dooku, given Dooku lower showings against physical beasts like Opress and Skywalker.
And what's this "Grievous was a better skilled Duelist than TCW Maul" none-sense? Don't be ridiculous.
Originally posted by RockydonovangIf Kanan can legitmately contend with maul or beat him(which he can;t) that just raises Kanan, it doesn;t at all lower maul. If Kenobi could legitimately threeshot maul(though as rebels recon should make obvious, he can't in the context of a typical lightsaber duel), that would just raise kenobi, not lower maul
Raise Kanan to what? Ahsoka level? We know that's not true. Maul was clearly at a stage in his life where at his best he can still challenge Ahsoka, but at his worst he can lose to fodder like Kanan.
Raise Kenobi to what? > Windu level? So what is he then? Yoda level? Don't think so.
Originally posted by RockydonovangAlso, as has been addressed multiple times, maul wouldn't have been stomped by kenobi had it not been for the specific type of fighting they were going after. He would have lost which isn't at all outside of sod maul's capablities given he was struggling with even tcw kenobi
Filoni clearly clarified in the IGN interview I've already posted for you, that Maul got stomped by Kenobi because he saw moly couldn't compete. No point in arguing that any further as Filoni has clearly clarified his meaning.