Why do people still take Maul seriously?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Don't really get why Old Maul being passed his prime is such a big issue.

Issue in terms of powerscaling? Rocky seems to want to put Old Ben on Yoda level or something.

Issue in terms of accepting what Filoni did? Well he had Kenobi improving, so why not Maul? And he had Ahsoka putting up a great fight aagainst Vader, so why not Maul in his final fight ever against Kenobi? Filoni clearly hated the character, and has shown his true colours when no longer held in check by Lucas. He's shown his bias towards certain characters, and his inferior quality in story telling.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Issue in terms of powerscaling? Rocky seems to want to put Old Ben on Yoda level or something.

Issue in terms of accepting what Filoni did? Well he had Kenobi improving, so why not Maul? And he had Ahsoka putting up a great fight aagainst Vader, so why not Maul in his final fight ever against Kenobi? Filoni clearly hated the character, and has shown his true colours when no longer held in check by Lucas. He's shown his bias towards certain characters, and his inferior quality in story telling.

Well it's not like there weren't circumstances, which keep being ignored for some reason.

Fair enough on the latter ending. I hope S4 is something good, not holding my breath though.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Well it's not like there weren't circumstances, which keep being ignored for some reason.

Yeah there's always "circumstances" when it comes to Filoni controlled Maul.

Fact is he would never have Ahsoka getting blitzed by Vader, or losing to a blind Inquisitor. He clearly plays favourites. As such, given actual canon showings and feats, there's nothing to put Rebels (non-Darth) Maul above Darth Maul. And a lot showing he's actually more likely to have a low performance at this stage.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Don't really get why Old Maul being passed his prime is such a big issue.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Issue in terms of powerscaling? Rocky seems to want to put Old Ben on Yoda level or something.

Issue in terms of accepting what Filoni did? Well he had Kenobi improving, so why not Maul? And he had Ahsoka putting up a great fight aagainst Vader, so why not Maul in his final fight ever against Kenobi? Filoni clearly hated the character, and has shown his true colours when no longer held in check by Lucas. He's shown his bias towards certain characters, and his inferior quality in story telling.

Also yea, grevious is superior to TCW maul as A DUELIST as should be obvious by comparing grevious's performances vs kenobi AS A DUELIST.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Don't really get why rebels maul being in his prime is such a big issue.
Why is accepting statements of authority a big issue?
Why is not harping on circumstantial low showings a big issue?

Because why would Rebels Maul be his prime?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Because why would Rebels Maul be his prime?

There's no need for a why here. Authority on offical sw material(rebels recon) has clearly indicated that maul and kenobi progressed as duelists, so rebels maul is>tcw maul

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Because he had 15 years spent disturbing the empire, looking for holocrons, searching for artifacts?
Because of canonical statements of authority saying he improved as a duelists?

There's no need for a why here. Authority on offical sw material(rebels recon) has clearly indicated that maul and kenobi progressed as duelists, so rebels maul is>tcw maul

Except statements say otherwise also. Force knowledge sure I'll give you, but physicals and dueling I don't see.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Except statements say otherwise also. Force knowledge sure I'll give you, but physicals and dueling I don't see.

Starkiller will be in S4 and kill all the Rebels.

before getting ragdolled to hell by vader

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
No, they don't. There is no statement whatsoever saying maul declined as a duelist.

Aside from being old? This would affect his dueling skills to some point.

There's one from Witwer about being past his prime but I don't remember the context of it. I remember it being hotly disputed here, though.

I'm sure we'll get more clarification, when all is said and done.

Originally posted by SunRazer
There's one from Witwer about being past his prime but I don't remember the context of it. I remember it being hotly disputed here, though.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Aside from being old? This would affect his dueling skills to some point.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Force augmentation can counteract that.

Except you have to prove the force augmentation of an older, lost and broken Maul increased. Which so far you've failed to do.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Because he had 15 years spent disturbing the empire, looking for holocrons, searching for artifacts?
Because of canonical statements of authority saying he improved as a duelists?

There's no need for a why here. Authority on offical sw material(rebels recon) has clearly indicated that maul and kenobi progressed as duelists, so rebels maul is>tcw maul

Except there's been no such statements. And statements only back up canonical feats and evidences. They don't replace them LMAO

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I never claimed that ben kenobi is yoda level or remotely suggested he was. How about actually reading what i write. You're ignoring the circumstances taht were given for kenobi three shotting maul and simultaneously using that showing which you're ignoring the context of to make a baseless appeal to incredulity that somehow should overwirte authoritative statements on official star wars material.

You're suggesting Rebels Maul could have improved to beyond Dooku level, and then suggesting Kenobi 3 shotting him should be all credited to Kenobi.

Given Yoda never 3 shot Dooku, you're argument clearly is suggesting Kenobi is now around Yoda level.

No it's you ignoring the detailed explanation given by Filoni. That Kenobi beat Maul so quickly because Maul at this stage simply can not compete with this incarnation of Kenobi.