Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well. If he gets a good hit, yeah.No amount of chi amping will protect Akuma from a direct strike from adamantium claws.
Akuma isn't that durable anyway.
Street Fighter characters are overwanked because they are very popular but they aren't even close to the level that people wank them at.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYou should be more worried about Akuma angling his fist slightly downward and punching Wolverine under hundreds of tons of earth and stone tbh.
I'm more worried about his speed, skill and exotic techniques in particular, tbh.Mortal Kombat chars are what SF ones want to be when they grow up 😛
Akuma would also effortlessly kill Johnny Cage. 👆
Or Shao Kahn for that matter. Even MK gods haven't been portrayed as particularly powerful in their unrestrained forms for ages now.
True.
Historically, gods like Shinock did threaten dimensional boundries and such. Hard to tell how much of that is them just being that powerful, vs serious amping from artifacts, such.as that medallion Quanchi tried stealing that made him on par with the gods, or those various artifacts that made Onaga invulnerable..
Originally posted by cdtm
Akuma did bust a good sized island.That's > mountain busting (You can put a mountain on an island..)
That's in the cinematic of the game and he don't really bust an island.
He puts an hard punch on the ground with Kongou Kokuretsuzan and start an eruption destroying the Island.
That feat is as relevant as the Punisher making a building explode via shooting an explosive...
Wolverine should win at least 8 times out of 10 against Akuma.
His durability, combat experience, combat speed and healing factor making him a deadly foe against Akuma.
Remember that Akuma can't block Wolverine's claws. His best shot is to attack from a distance and even then Wolverine can rush him and slice him in half.
Akuma can delay the fight but he will probably die the majority of the time.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
That's in the cinematic of the game and he don't really bust an island.He puts an hard punch on the ground with Kongou Kokuretsuzan and start an eruption destroying the Island.
Kongou Kokuretsuzan didn't exist until Street Fighter 3: 2nd Impact.
This is Akuma's feat:
This is the Kongou Kokuretsuzan:
Here it is in cutscene format:
Both showcase ki waves spreading out from his fist, a purple ki updraft from the punch, and him holding his fist to the heavens as preparation for it. None of this was present when he destroyed his island.
That feat is as relevant as the Punisher making a building explode via shooting an explosive...
I shouldn't really address this tbh, because it doesn't really matter. Forcing a volcano to prematurely erupt with a punch is still a level of strength far beyond Wolverine's.
But can you provide any definitive proof it was a volcano beyond a distant shot of an explosion from the base of the mountain, which could have easily been caused by his punch alone? You seem to be assuming the presence of a volcano and assuming that this eruption is what caused the island to literally disappear, so you're going to need some evidence my friend.
Wolverine should win at least 8 times out of 10 against Akuma.
I might be inclined to give Wolverine one win against Akuma purely because Wolverine can kill Akuma with his claws given their feats, but he's so hopelessly outclassed in power I find it unlikely. Wolverine gets manhandled by Spiderman. Akuma is far stronger.
His durability, combat experience, combat speed and healing factor making him a deadly foe against Akuma.
His combat speed is worse than Akuma's, given that Akuma can cross the ocean floor to above the surface within the span of a single kick (while dragging the sunken ship he was kicking in half along with him), and given that he can blitz M. Bison, who himself can intercept his own satellite's laser. Given his far greater physical abilities and versatility he isn't losing this my friend.
Remember that Akuma can't block Wolverine's claws. His best shot is to attack from a distance and even then Wolverine can rush him and slice him in half.
And Wolverine can't block Akuma's punches. He's not strong enough.
Akuma can delay the fight but he will probably die the majority of the time.
Wolverine loses. 👆
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWTrue, and Akuma's punches will not be able to overcome Wolverine's healing factor. 👆
If only Logan took punches from someone capable of island leveling.Oh, wait. Namor.
But Akuma is not just very strong, but is also very fast and skilled, quicker than Namor is typically portrayed and far more well-versed in hand to hand combat. He also is more versatile and has more ranged attacks and destructive power at his disposal.
How would Wolverine handle the Shun Goku Satsu, which destroys the opponent's very soul? Does he have solid showings against attacks like these?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kongou Kokuretsuzan didn't exist until Street Fighter 3: 2nd Impact.
This is Akuma's feat:
This is the Kongou Kokuretsuzan:
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/7/78/Kongou_kokouretsu_zan.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110220041646
Here it is in cutscene format:Both showcase ki waves spreading out from his fist, a purple ki updraft from the punch, and him holding his fist to the heavens as preparation for it. None of this was present when he destroyed his island.
The fist doesn't destroy the island, the fist creates a chain reaction that wake-up a Volcano that destroy the island.
In short the feats coming from the game are irrelevant.
They are more to showcase something spectacular but not really important to gauge the power of a character.
Here is the Island and we clearly see that after the Earthquake the Volcano is destroying the Island as there is fire and smoke:
If you have to address feats, at least have the decency to use the comic books... I don't use the games for a reason or maybe you want to argue that Dan & Akuma are at the same level since Dan can beat Akuma in the game ?
I shouldn't really address this tbh, because it doesn't really matter. Forcing a volcano to prematurely erupt with a punch is still a level of strength far beyond Wolverine's.
Oh really ?
What information do we have on panel to tell how powerful this punch is and which amount of force is needed to wake-up a Volcano ? Nothing.
There is many comics with Akuma fighting at his best and he is nowhere near doing fatal damages to the other SF peak-humans with his punches.
But can you provide any definitive proof it was a volcano beyond a distant shot of an explosion from the base of the mountain, which could have easily been caused by his punch alone? You seem to be assuming the presence of a volcano and assuming that this eruption is what caused the island to literally disappear, so you're going to need some evidence my friend.
The evidence is provided above and I will skip any other feats coming from the games coming from your next posts.
I will only rely on the comic books and that's all.
I might be inclined to give Wolverine one win against Akuma purely because Wolverine can kill Akuma with his claws given their feats, but he's so hopelessly outclassed in power I find it unlikely. Wolverine gets manhandled by Spiderman. Akuma is far stronger.
Oh really ?
All of this hype and he cannot one-shot Ryu...
The most probable outcome is Akuma suffering fatal damages from Wolverine's claws.
He will probably hurt Logan but not enough to take him down.
His combat speed is worse than Akuma's,
He isn't.
Wolverine has feats as hitting people with FTE slashes of his claws.
Please provide for Akuma XD
As for addressing Akuma's ability to REPOSITION himself with the Ashura Senkuu; that's just a technique that allows Akuma to glide at super-speed and avoid attacks...
Wolverine can deal with it even easier.
He can deal with Nightcrawler's teleportation and time and attack on Speed Demon after all. He just needs to anticipate where Akuma will be, easy.
Nightcrawler:
Speed Demon:
given that Akuma can cross the ocean floor to above the surface within the span of a single kick (while dragging the sunken ship he was kicking in half along with him),
He was propelling himself to the surface, this has no relevancy to the combat speed which is dealing with X attacks and defences in one page for example.
and given that he can blitz M. Bison, who himself can intercept his own satellite's laser.
Let's check M Bison combat speed:
A SINGLE ATTACK IN ONE PAGE ! WOW !
Akuma isn't especially quick in combat neither.
How fast their attack is already showcased in the games ! 😄
Given his far greater physical abilities and versatility he isn't losing this my friend.
Besides the energy projection and the fast repositioning with Ashura Senkuu, Akuma isn't particularly more versatile than Logan...
Physically it is possible that Akuma has more physical strength but so far I don't remember him lifting more than Wolverine nor that does matter in a fight...
Wolverine is far more durable and has an healing facter.
On top of that Wolverine is way quicker in combat and a lot more skilled than Akuma.
One century of experience my friend.
And Wolverine can't block Akuma's punches. He's not strong enough.
He can but Akuma cannot directly block the claws.
Wolverine loses. 👆
Wolverine wins 8 or 9 times out of 10.
The only way for Akuma to win is to keep the distance...
The Shun Goku Satsu can help but that's just 15 Chi-amped strikes coming from all directions in a few seconds. While it delivers spiritual and physical damages we both knows that Wolverine can heal from both.
Wolverine can deal fatal damages to Akuma in a single slash, that's why he wins.
If you have to address feats, at least have the decency to use the comic books... I don't use the games for a reason or maybe you want to argue that Dan & Akuma are at the same level since Dan can beat Akuma in the game ?
The games are the primary canon. You can't just disregard the games if you're going to discuss a video game character. Also what you're describing would be immediately discounted in any video game debate.
The correct response is "did Dan beat Akuma?". There is no canon instance of that happening that I am aware of.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Thought I'd pop in to address this specifically.The games are the primary canon. You can't just disregard the games if you're going to discuss a video game character. Also what you're describing would be immediately discounted in any video game debate.
The correct response is "did Dan beat Akuma?". There is no canon instance of that happening that I am aware of.
Video game mechanics aren't suitable for versus debates, neither are cinematic scenes with unquantifiable and/or irrelevant content.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Video game mechanics aren't suitable for versus debates, neither are cinematic scenes with unquantifiable and/or irrelevant content.
Canon events are not mechanics. "Dan _can_ beat Akuma" would be an argument of what's possible through mechanics. "Akuma removed that there island" is an example of a canon event.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You don't seem to be following.Canon events are not mechanics. "Dan _can_ beat Akuma" would be an argument of what's possible through mechanics. "Akuma removed that there island" is an example of a canon event.
You are the one whom seems not to be following...
"neither are cinematic scenes with unquantifiable and/or irrelevant content. "
EDIT: I have already countered the point of Akuma's cinematics in my answer to Nemebro.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
You are the one whom seems not to be following..."neither are cinematic scenes with unquantifiable and/or irrelevant content. "
EDIT: I have already countered the point of Akuma's cinematics in my answer to Nemebro.
Removing an island is not "irrelevant".
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not quite. You attribute the scene to something that you invented for the explanation. There is no mention of a chain reaction in the scene.Removing an island is not "irrelevant".
the chain reaction is shown on panel dude.
1) Akuma punch the ground. The Island isn't busted.
2) The Island begin to shake. The Island isn't busted.
3) A volcano explode with smoke and fire from inside the Island. The Island isn't busted and begin to sink.
Punch > Volcano awaken + Earthquake + Smoke & Fire = Chain reaction.
Yes it is irrelevant.
Akuma has unleashed his power many times in a fight and doesn't deal more damages than Marvel peak humans.
Your intention to stick with the cinematics is a Red Herring .
The context is too clouded to use them as face value against other characters.
Either ways I've already proven my point in my answer to Nemebro so your circle jerk will be ignored once and for all.
Have a good day.
I'm just gonna post Akuma's big 4 canon feats.
First, the island sinker.
YouTube video
To perform even a chain reaction breakdown, we calculated that it would take a punch of about 25 megatonnes worth of physical force to do this. That is the power of a high end nuclear detonation. And guess what. Akuma was STILL holding back the lions share of his power when doing this. He was not in his Shin or Oni stages.
Next, we have the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan
Very similar to the Island Sinker, but is an actual special technique used to split Uluru right down the middle lengthwise. That is a split measured in kilometers.
Next up, we have the Tenshou Kaireki Jin
With this, you can see that Akuma not only surfaces from the ocean twilight to the surface in seconds, by jumping, UNDERWATER, but he does so carrying a sunken cruise ship, and breaking it apart with a single kick. This demonstrates not only impossible physical strength, but speed, and body control. The sheer pressure change from going from that deep in the water to the surface in seconds is astronomically insane. A human's body would have exploded under much less pressure change than that.
And finally, we have the Seikia Kuretsu Ha.
That is a beam that not only went right into high orbit, it cratered the forest around Akuma with the mere recoil of the attack... That, is insane....
Keep in mind, all these feats, were done with Akuma holding back the lions share of his power, in his base form. And yes, before you denounce anything, these are all canon, these all happened, and have been refferenced by people in later games, so no. these are not governed by game mechanics, These are governed by the games EVENTS.
