Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And yes, before you denounce anything, these are all canon, these all happened, and have been refferenced by people in later games, so no. these are not governed by game mechanics, These are governed by the games EVENTS.
^This is the crux of what I was explaining.
Wolverine wins Lol.
Wolverine has tanked hits from World War Hulk who's strong enough to demolish planets twice the size of Earth. Akuma is nowhere near strong as Hulk or Thor who Wolverine has taken hits from.
Adamantium claws could easily shred Akuma to pieces as it has cut through Hulk and Thor like butter, Akuma is nowhere near strong as them.
Unless Akuma can crack planets in half he doesn't stand a chance lolololololo.
Originally posted by Riddleboxx04
Wolverine wins Lol.Wolverine has tanked hits from World War Hulk who's strong enough to demolish planets twice the size of Earth. Akuma is nowhere near strong as Hulk or Thor who Wolverine has taken hits from.
Adamantium claws could easily shred Akuma to pieces as it has cut through Hulk and Thor like butter, Akuma is nowhere near strong as them.
Unless Akuma can crack planets in half he doesn't stand a chance lolololololo.
Wolverine has been defeated and knocked out by a lot less than Thor and Hulk level strikes.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Facts exists.
Not in the arguments you presented.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm not debating the version of Akuma that only exist in your head.
Oh? Wow, you must really be delusional... Under what extremes did Wolverine survive a soul destroying attack? See, you omit things to suit yourself. I suggest you research both characters before making bone headed statements like this.
Well. He did beat Soulstriker... twice.
1. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/1710297-wmd_04_oroboros_dcp_020.jpg
2. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3647733-manifest+1.jpg
3. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/61327/1371644-akillogansnbfw.jpg
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1. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd6b0c29750b37973f2b9e6bb650cb32
2. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cf542b7732deb00370aedf451a65bb12
Think what you want of it, but it definitely shows that Logan has developed a significant resistance to soul attacks.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not in the arguments you presented.Oh? Wow, you must really be delusional... Under what extremes did Wolverine survive a soul destroying attack? See, you omit things to suit yourself. I suggest you research both characters before making bone headed statements like this.
Make me laugh again please.
StiltmanFTW just addressed that point here:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well. He did beat Soulstriker... twice.1. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/1710297-wmd_04_oroboros_dcp_020.jpg
2. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3647733-manifest+1.jpg
3. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/61327/1371644-akillogansnbfw.jpg----
1. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd6b0c29750b37973f2b9e6bb650cb32
2. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cf542b7732deb00370aedf451a65bb12Think what you want of it, but it definitely shows that Logan has developed a significant resistance to soul attacks.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well. He did beat Soulstriker... twice.1. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/1710297-wmd_04_oroboros_dcp_020.jpg
2. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3647733-manifest+1.jpg
3. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/61327/1371644-akillogansnbfw.jpg----
1. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd6b0c29750b37973f2b9e6bb650cb32
2. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cf542b7732deb00370aedf451a65bb12Think what you want of it, but it definitely shows that Logan has developed a significant resistance to soul attacks.
Eeeeeh, that seems more mental that spiritual judging from the text. Soulstriker's attacks dredges up bad memories according to Wolverine himself. Thats a little different from having your soul obliterated in a single attack.
The way that looks reminds me a lot of the Penance Stare.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Make me laugh again please.StiltmanFTW just addressed that point here:
Yeah. Stiltman put up an argument like a good debater. You didn't. You are a shitposter who couldn't argue with a dog turd in the rain. Huzzah for you Mr Elitist?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Darkstorm Zero, I suggest you research both characters before making bone headed statements like this and posting again. 😂
I have. Soulstriker's power is obscure. Not to mention it wasn't any argument you made. So you don't get to shitpost like you won anything.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Eeeeeh, that seems more mental that spiritual judging from the text. Soulstriker's attacks dredges up bad memories according to Wolverine himself..
Soulstriker directly attacks the soul. Period.
Thats a little different from having your soul obliterated in a single attack.
The Raging Demon isn't a single attack, it's a succession of 15 chi-amped punches with a "teleportation" between each of them.
I've already countered the teleportation aspect in my last post to Nemebro...
The way that looks reminds me a lot of the Penance Stare.
Yeah but that's not the penance stare. That's even easier to counter...
Yeah. Stiltman put up an argument like a good debater. You didn't.
I have put MANY arguments that Nemebro and you failed to counter, because you can't.
I barely demonstrated why Wolverine wins and it's already nearly enough.
You are a shitposter who couldn't argue with a dog turd in the rain.
Sure. And you are the dog turd in the rain in that picture I presume.
Huzzah for you Mr Elitist?
I'm not elitist in that thread.
You aren't even close to reach the minimum required to be a decent debater by normal standards.
I have countered every arguments made by Nemebro in here and I was the one stating that Wolverine can heal from the Raging Demon, which failed to kill many characters...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641860&pagenumber=3
I have
Nope. You failed to understand what you was reading.
Soulstriker's power is obscure.
It isn't. Soulstriker punches the soul. He deals past painful memories as damages. That's really hard to understand. Wow !
Not to mention it wasn't any argument you made. So you don't get to shitpost like you won anything.
Please make more hilarious comments.
Here is what I have said and that Stilt illustrated:
"The Shun Goku Satsu can help but that's just 15 Chi-amped strikes coming from all directions in a few seconds. While it delivers spiritual and physical damages we both knows that Wolverine can heal from both."
I will make a post with more arguments later to separate it from your aggressive and argumentless post. 😂
All right, sorry about the late response, the hurricane and losing power for three days put a stop to a speedy reply.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
The fist doesn't destroy the island, the fist creates a chain reaction that wake-up a Volcano that destroy the island.
In short the feats coming from the game are irrelevant.
Even assuming your interpretation of the feat is true, the notion that his punch caused a volcanic eruption rather than crumbled it outright doesn't do anything to support the stance that the game feats "don't count", and no your assertion that the feats aren't usable to gauge the characters' power is completely unfounded.
Here is the Island and we clearly see that after the Earthquake the Volcano is destroying the Island as there is fire and smoke:
So no source that actually indicates the presence of a volcano on the island, just the assertion that fire = volcano, ignoring that there doesn't appear to be any actual lava (you know that volcanoes are not filled with fire, but molten rock, right?), and that the explosion could easily have resulted from Akuma's fist, which as we see in the video I posted, was on fire.
Furthermore, your assertion of what happened doesn't fit what we actually see. We actually see Ryu in the water as rocks continue to rain down on him. Implying that the island literally exploded. The only volcanic eruption I can recall even near that scale is Krakatoa, and even that eruption didn't destroy the entire island. If it was the result of a volcanic eruption, one would think that the rocks falling around Ryu would be slagged by the intense heat of the island's lava.
But this is an irrelevant tangent. A punch that can destabilize a completely dormant volcano to the extent that it literally destroys the island itself is still far into the realms of superhuman territory, and vastly beyond Wolverine's own physical strength.
If you have to address feats, at least have the decency to use the comic books... I don't use the games for a reason or maybe you want to argue that Dan & Akuma are at the same level since Dan can beat Akuma in the game ?
You don't use the actual primary source material because you're an idiot friend. The games are the primary canon, the UDON comics are not. Period.
And Dan never defeated Akuma in any actual storyline event. Is this hard for you to grasp?
What information do we have on panel to tell how powerful this punch is and which amount of force is needed to wake-up a Volcano ? Nothing.
More force than Wolverine's fist can generate my friend. Enough force to destabilize the geography of an entire island sufficiently to completely destroy it. 👆
There is many comics with Akuma fighting at his best and he is nowhere near doing fatal damages to the other SF peak-humans with his punches.
Prove they are peak human. You actually can't: it's already proven by their ability to survive attacks from Akuma, as well as Chun-Li's forest busting attack I posted earlier, as well as her and basically all the important named characters survival of Bison's attack which exceeded it.
The evidence is provided above and I will skip any other feats coming from the games coming from your next posts.
I accept your concession.
I wouldn't worry though. You haven't adequately addressed any of the game feats already posted, so I see no real reason to link more. 👆
All of this hype and he cannot one-shot Ryu...
Pretty good on Ryu, he has always been just a tier below the top tiers. 👆
Wolverine has feats as hitting people with FTE slashes of his claws.
So an unquantifiable speed feat touted as impressive because of how it's drawn, and not actually anything substantial. How fast do you think those attacks were? 100 meters per second? 200? Kek.
Akuma's submarine feat is better. 👆
Tell you what though, since you like the comics so much, here you go:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5256425-ryu+feat+speed+%281%29.png
Here we see the peak human Adon throwing "FTE" jabs at Ryu, which Ryu blocks before countering and successfully tripping him up. Adon, being Sagat's toadie, is weaker than Ryu, let alone Akuma.
"That's not a feat from Akuma" lul.
As for addressing Akuma's ability to REPOSITION himself with the Ashura Senkuu; that's just a technique that allows Akuma to glide at super-speed and avoid attacks...
I'm actually reasonably certain that I never mentioned the Ashura Senkuu, so I'm not sure what point you're actually addressing, though maybe I should have.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5256425-ryu+feat+speed+%281%29.png
As seen here, Akuma can avoid Wolverine's claws, the only thing that could actually hurt him, with Ashura Senkuu. 👆
He can deal with Nightcrawler's teleportation and time and attack on Speed Demon after all. He just needs to anticipate where Akuma will be, easy.Nightcrawler:
Nice feat where Wolverine fails to land a single hit on Nightcrawler. 👆
Speed Demon:
Now imagine that the punches Wolverine is forced to take from someone faster than him are strong enough to literally bury him a mile under the earth. 🙂
He was propelling himself to the surface, this has no relevancy to the combat speed which is dealing with X attacks and defences in one page for example.
"Being able to move thousands of feet with a single maneuver while performing an attack has no relevancy to combat speed" lul, get a load of this guy.
Let's check M Bison combat speed:A SINGLE ATTACK IN ONE PAGE ! WOW !
A page isn't a time frame. Whew, that was easy to dismiss. 👆
Akuma isn't especially quick in combat neither.How fast their attack is already showcased in the games ! 😄
Right, like in scenes where he moves from the ocean floor to above the surface in a single attack. 👆
Besides the energy projection and the fast repositioning with Ashura Senkuu, Akuma isn't particularly more versatile than Logan...
Wolverine is a brick who can't even fly with claws and a healing factor. Akuma is a more powerful brick who can at least glide, turn intangible, use ki for ranged attacks (that can raze forests indirectly) and to enhance his normal attacks, as well as the power to destroy one's soul. No, he's quite a bit more versatile.
Physically it is possible that Akuma has more physical strength but so far I don't remember him lifting more than Wolverine nor that does matter in a fight...
Do you imagine that grappling doesn't involve physical strength at all? How stupid must one be to not believe that physical strength factors into a fight.
Oh, and Akuma carried a sunken ship from the ocean floor to the ocean surface with his foot. He's quite a bit stronger.
Wolverine is far more durable and has an healing facter.
Sure.
[quote[On top of that Wolverine is way quicker in combat[/quote]
You might want to get around to proving that.
and a lot more skilled than Akuma.One century of experience my friend.
Skill does not matter in the face of overwhelming power.
The only way for Akuma to win is to keep the distance...
He could do that, and would easily win. He could also just physically dominate Wolverine and punch him literally into the dirt. Wolverine likely won't die in this fight, but he will lose.
The Shun Goku Satsu can help but that's just 15 Chi-amped strikes coming from all directions in a few seconds. While it delivers spiritual and physical damages we both knows that Wolverine can heal from both.He won't need to use the SGS.Wolverine can deal fatal damages to Akuma in a single slash, that's why he wins.
Wolverine won't even be able to touch Akuma if he doesn't want him to.
Akuma stomps.
