Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I cannot believe we are still talking about this.Why are the folks who claim to be patriots defending fascists? Why are the folks who claim to hold traditional values defending a man beating a woman?
It is more party-before-country and ideology-before-principle bullshit that is ruining America.
I honestly think there's at least two posters in here who where sexually aroused by seeing a diminutive woman being thrashed by an nazi-poster-boy type. The amount of joy they expressed over her being 'put in her place' and 'brought down some' was weird and very telling.
Originally posted by Robtard
I honestly think there's at least two posters in here who where sexually aroused by seeing a diminutive woman being thrashed by an nazi-poster-boy type. The amount of joy they expressed over her being 'put in her place' and 'brought down some' was weird and very telling.
armpit hair. mouldylocks. people on the internet told me she did porn. LOCK HER UP!!!
Originally posted by Robtard
I honestly think there's at least two posters in here who where sexually aroused by seeing a diminutive woman being thrashed by an nazi-poster-boy type. The amount of joy they expressed over her being 'put in her place' and 'brought down some' was weird and very telling.
Nah, I'm just tired of the bullshit media spins, but good luck with that theory bro.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
armpit hair. mouldylocks. people on the internet told me she did porn. LOCK HER UP!!!
Lmao, the fact she is nasty and all that stuff was mostly just funny. Nobody thought those things in themselves merited any kind of action towards her.
Also sadly I can confirm she does do porn.
Originally posted by Surtur
My entire point has been about her being portrayed as just some innocent victim, almost an innocent bystander.But she was there in the thick of it at multiple times. She did not leave. This alone speaks volumes to me.
If what she said in that interview is to be taken as accurate, then she got lost looking for her boyfriend, who himself was also getting jumped. I'm not saying she is right or wrong for that, but you are saying that we should treat her as at least being as guilty as the dude who punched her.... for carrying a bottle. Are you sure you don't want to vilify her because she does not support Trump?
Originally posted by Surtur
She obviously didn't mean literal scalping, she was just talking about violence. Scalping is a violent act. To say it could mean a "moral victory" is strange.
Taking scalps is a common euphamism for victory, it was a trophy most commonly associated with native Americans back in the days of colonization from what i remember of American history. That being said, victory is very open to interpretation, and in this case, I am of the mind to believe it to be Slang for that. At least until someone pegs her as BEING violent, and not just interpreting her words as violent intent. As I said, I don't take the worst assumption just because of her opposing political views.
Originally posted by Surtur
This isn't about law for me, it's about the court of public opinion. This person showed up to a friggin free speech rally with Antifa intending to disrupt it. She made threats online beforehand about what she planned to do. She is seen in several photo's in the thick of it at various points, meaning she saw what was going on and chose to stick around. We have more than one image of her with two different weapons.
Ok, lets expand on this. Who let off the smoke grenade that started that frakas? Which side charged the lines? Because from what I've seen in the three and a half hours of footage and interviews I've seen since my original post here, the Trumpers are every bit as guilty as the Antifas, and this time the Trumpers did the charging. I am not of the mind to say she attacked anyone until I see it. Holding a fragging bottle in her hand does not automatically make her guilty. Especially if what she said about her boyfriend getting the absolute shit getting beaten out of him by seven dudes is accurate. I tell you what, if that many people were beating the shit out of my partner, I too would shank some MFers to get them off of em.
Originally posted by Surtur
I think she just meant violence. I can't see any other way to interpret it.
There are a thousand and one ways to interpret those words. You just chose the one that best represents her as a violent thug because it suits your narrative. That is no different than what you accuse the media of doing.
Originally posted by Surtur
What we know is she made threats online, was shown with various weapons, had various chances to leave the area and decided to stay in the thick of it. And Bash just said he saw a picture of her with M80's and then just kinda shrugged it off and said it's not an "official source" so I mean....yeah.My entire point is this isn't some angel here, and it goes far beyond the "nobody is perfect" type of deal IMO.
She said words, online. She held a bottle in her hand. She lost her boyfriend in a general melee. And I want proof of the M80s.
Originally posted by Surtur
Dude, you're trying to lawyer this. Of course I can't prove 100% she knew what Antifa planned. I'm just going with what is most logical based on the information. For a member of Antifa to think they would be going to a rally held by people they deemed to pretty much all be nazis and think it would be peaceful is beyond belief, IMO. No, I can't prove it, but I would just be utterly amazed if she genuinely thought nobody was going to do anything violent.Plus like I said above, the M80 thing, if true, is pretty important. I'd heard she was seen with one, and I'd heard she was also seen actually hurling bottles at people, but I had not seen pics. So if she had an M80 the self defense goes utterly out the door and I would think you'd agree.
You are trying to play the narrative to suit your own view of things. Here, allow me to explain "Antifa is a group I disagree with. A woman who is a member of said group gets punched by a member of the political group I agree with. The woman must be lying and is evil, therefore her word and status as a victim of assault is moot."
As I said, if true, the M80 thing would swing my opinion, but until I see the evidence from a certified source, I am not going to say a person is bad and evil and should not be given the rights of any other red blooded person in America or the rest of the free world. That said, I personally disagree that she alone should be blamed for the sins of the entire ANTIFA group, nor should that ever be a justification for not one, but three punches to the skull.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm aware that we don't know for certain, I even basically say that in the post you quoted.However IMO, it's far more likely that the bottle wasn't meant for self-defense.
Unless she brought the thing in with her, then I dunno about that. It is entirely conceivable, and reasonable, to assume she picked it up in the general melee and tried to fend off the guys stomping her boyfriends face in.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
armpit hair. mouldylocks. people on the internet told me she did porn. LOCK HER UP!!!
As far as the porn thing, which makes her a "scum" and a "worthless whore" to some, apparently it was just a solo masturbation scene. The people here who have a problem with that are clearly woman haters and sexually repressed. This is a fact.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
wtf are you talking about?
This...
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I saw some shit that the hairy porn girl was shoving m80s into bottles to make some makeshift frag grenades or something. Can this be confirmed, or denied? If it's true that's pretty messed up, you could kill someone doing that.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i saw the same on imgur. as far as any valid news sources? no.but surtur will take that as proof that it happened, because liberal media. very convenient.
You say you saw something on imgur having to do with her and M80's.
Originally posted by Robtard
As far as the porn thing, which makes her a "scum" and a "worthless whore" to some, apparently it was just a solo masturbation scene. The people here who have a problem with that are clearly woman haters and sexually repressed. This is a fact.
I said she was scummy, I don't recall calling her a worthless whore. It's fine if you disagree, but no the stuff you spew is hardly fact.
Originally posted by SurturYou say you saw something on imgur having to do with her and M80's.
you misunderstood. i was referring to the jpg image of her holding a bottle while getting punched. if i had proof of her making glass bombs i would have an entirely different opinion.
proof, surter. not words and feels and dodgy jpgs
Originally posted by Robtard
You just agreed that you called her scum because she masturbated in front of a camera. So it seems my facts are factual, sport.
She looks skeevy and is a porn star, which in my book is a hooker. Getting paid for a sexual act and all that. No, it doesn't mean I hate women. Nor would I say she shouldn't be allowed to do what she does.
So sure, the fact you got right is that I called her scum.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Unless she brought the thing in with her, then I dunno about that. It is entirely conceivable, and reasonable, to assume she picked it up in the general melee and tried to fend off the guys stomping her boyfriends face in.
It's also entirely conceivable and reasonable to assume that she picked it up with the intention of throwing or using it in an offensive manner.
Originally posted by Surtur
She looks skeevy and is a porn star, which in my book is a hooker. Getting paid for a sexual act and all that. No, it doesn't mean I hate women. Nor would I say she shouldn't be allowed to do what she does.So sure, the fact you got right is that I called her scum.
Yeah, you're agreeing with the facts I said.
So if women who do porn are scummy. What does that make you when you watch and pleasure yourself to those scums?