Anti-white racist Islamist kills four in California.

Originally posted by Surtur
I think at this point we have to accept we won't ever truly know unless more video or pictures come out.

So...yeah, that damn anti-white racist. Discuss.

Whats to say? Crazy cook using any excuse to go on a genocide will do. I don;t believe he was a muslim, not with a nickname 'Black Jesus' anyway.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a shorter clip of the longer one I watched yesterday, we see her (at least it looks like her) holding the bottle and Nazi-boy charges and decks her. She doesn't seem to swing it. Then she moves through the crowd of Trumpers who are curb stomping a guy. We see her now without a hat or bottle and naziboy charges her again, decking and dropping her this time.

He clearly had a hardon for her, there were other supposed 'Antifa' people around and he choose to attack her. What a hero.

Sounds an awful lot like the way a predator behaves. Single out the smallest weakest person in a crowd you can find, then go f*ck them up as often as you can.

Still after he hit her the second time, I think he got chased off by the others before the surge came back from the other Trumpers.

I'm not saying all Trump supporters are bad, but that guy... I dunno, but IMO that dude does creep me out... Then again, I can't say all ANTIFA are good or bad, I'm pretty sure both sides have their good and their bad members. Just like any other group.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, the fact that I said he should be in jail should have clued you into the fact that I don't believe he was correct in his actions, nor am I saying that she deserved it.

No? then why are you arguing with me?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No? then why are you arguing with me?

Ask yourself that question, as you're the one that had a problem with me stating that the bottle was likely not meant for self-defense.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Whats to say? Crazy cook using any excuse to go on a genocide will do. I don;t believe he was a muslim, not with a nickname 'Black Jesus' anyway.

I understand. I guess one final question: do you think Antifa has displayed fascist tactics? I do not just mean in this instance, but overall. They have also blocked entryways for events to try to prevent people from attending, merely because they disagree with their views, and it's not always nazi stuff either as we saw with Milo in Berkeley.

So setting aside this woman and what happened to her, what do you think of Antifa?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ask yourself that question, as you're the one that had a problem with me stating that the bottle was likely not meant for self-defense.

Ok, allow me to pose a question, because obviously your deductive reasoning is different from mine. In your mind, why do you think merely the act of holding the bottle automatically means it wasn't in self defense? I mean merely the act of holding a bottle does not mean she went on the offensive and started swinging the damn thing, especially give that earlier in the protest, you got fools on both sides throwing rocks and swinging flagpoles.

Originally posted by Surtur
I understand. I guess one final question: do you think Antifa has displayed fascist tactics? I do not just mean in this instance, but overall. They have also blocked entryways for events to try to prevent people from attending, merely because they disagree with their views, and it's not always nazi stuff either as we saw with Milo in Berkeley.

So setting aside this woman and what happened to her, what do you think of Antifa?

You want my honest opinion? Because it's the exact same view I have for other political activist groups:

"There are a million things you could be doing besides yelling into megaphones, casting stones, burning flags and generally being incredible dickheads. Go do them and make your opinions on politics known when it comes time to vote, where your opinion matters. The only time I would ever accept violent demonstration like that is if the government actually did become totalitarian, but by then you'd be picking up guns for civil war, not burning flags and effigies because your pissed off."

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, allow me to pose a question, because obviously your deductive reasoning is different from mine. In your mind, why do you think merely the act of holding the bottle automatically means it wasn't in self defense? I mean merely the act of holding a bottle does not mean she went on the offensive and started swinging the damn thing, especially give that earlier in the protest, you got fools on both sides throwing rocks and swinging flagpoles.

I've already said that it could have been self-defense, but that I believe it more likely that she was using it as a offensive weapon. you're too caught up in arguing that you haven't been paying attention to what I've actually said.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I've already said that it could have been self-defense, but that I believe it more likely that she was using it as a offensive weapon. you're too caught up in arguing that you haven't been paying attention to what I've actually said.

Ok, now I'm going to have to reverse that back on you, because here you dodged my question. I asked "In your mind, why do you think merely the act of holding the bottle automatically means it wasn't in self defense?" In other words why do you THINK it wasn't self defense?

This question cannot be this badly misunderstood....

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You want my honest opinion? Because it's the exact same view I have for other political activist groups:

"There are a million things you could be doing besides yelling into megaphones, casting stones, burning flags and generally being incredible dickheads. Go do them and make your opinions on politics known when it comes time to vote, where your opinion matters. The only time I would ever accept violent demonstration like that is if the government actually did become totalitarian, but by then you'd be picking up guns for civil war, not burning flags and effigies because your pissed off."

I understand you feel extreme measures shouldn't be taken by anyone, I'm just wondering if you think the group has displayed fascist tendencies, since they claim to be against it(hence the name) but IMO have displayed fascist tactics in the past.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, now I'm going to have to reverse that back on you, because here you dodged my question. I asked "In your mind, why do you think merely the act of holding the bottle automatically means it wasn't in self defense?" In other words why do you THINK it wasn't self defense?

This question cannot be this badly misunderstood....

Why should I answer a question that is based on an argument that I've never made? it's obvious that you just want to keep the argument going and care very little for facts.

Originally posted by Surtur
I understand you feel extreme measures shouldn't be taken by anyone, I'm just wondering if you think the group has displayed fascist tendencies, since they claim to be against it(hence the name) but IMO have displayed fascist tactics in the past.

Hmm, that is a harder question to answer. Protests in general is the public outcry of people wanting to be heard, and they are willing to try and stamp out other opinions while they do it. Union protests are nothing but this tactic. But actual facism is a lit more.... permanent. The most extreme example was indeed Nazi Germany, whose state sponsored religious beliefs (And yes, that Arianism was Himmler's attempt at crafting a religious facade) demanded the extinction of jews, and the enslavement of any people not white skinned blonde haired and blue eyed, irrespective of anyones opinion on the matter.

That being said, to bring that full circle, even I am well aware that not every German was a Nazi. Hell, not even every member of the Wehrmacht agreed with the views of the SS, and were merely doing their duty as soldiers of Germany. Hell, soldiers are only soldiers in a relative sense. Political views change with whomever is in control of their nation. The ruling party shapes the course of that country for however long they hold power. The whole reason the Cold War rose, and then fell was for this exact reason as well.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why should I answer a question that is based on an argument that I've never made? it's obvious that you just want to keep the argument going and care very little for facts.

Wait.... What?

You.... You just said that you BELIEVE it was more likely she was not holding the bottle for defensive reasons. All I asked was WHY you believe that. That's not going against facts for Christ sake, that's just asking you why you believe what you said you believe.

At this point, what you are doing is deliberately trolling. If you don't want to answer a simple direct question about what you yourself said, just say so, Don't try and tell ME what you obviously have been misinterpreting then try and state what I care about. Because if you do that, than I am obviously going to tell you to "go f*ck yourself with rusty razor blades" for being unnecessarily rude.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Wait.... What?

You.... You just said that you BELIEVE it was more likely she was not holding the bottle for defensive reasons. All I asked was WHY you believe that. That's not going against facts for Christ sake, that's just asking you why you believe what you said you believe.

At this point, what you are doing is deliberately trolling. If you don't want to answer a simple direct question about what you yourself said, just say so, Don't try and tell ME what you [b]obviously have been misinterpreting then try and state what I care about. [/B]

The way you worded your question assumes that I'm basing my opinion solely on the fact that she was holding a bottle, which isn't true.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Wait.... What?

Don't fall victim to the time-waster-troll trap.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The way you worded your question assumes that I'm basing my opinion solely on the fact that she was holding a bottle, which isn't true.

You didn't imply or state any other reason bar that. I don't have a mind reading helmet or a Tardis handy dude, so that is no excuse for being unnecessarily rude and evasive. The question still remains - why do you believe what you believe? Perhaps if you answered that instead of evading it by being a jerk it would clear shit up?

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't fall victim to the time-waster-troll trap.

just let the baby have the last word or we'll never move past this.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't fall victim to the time-waster-troll trap.

Oh.... ooooooh I see.

Now I know

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You didn't imply or state any other reason bar that. I don't have a mind reading helmet or a Tardis handy dude, so that is no excuse for being unnecessarily rude and evasive. The question still remains - why do you believe what you believe? Perhaps if you answered that instead of evading it by being a jerk it would clear shit up?

If you want to know what my reasons are, ask. don't just assume and then word your question based on your faulty assumption.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
just let the baby have the last word or we'll never move past this.

Nice.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you want to know what my reasons are, ask. don't just assume and then word your question based on your faulty assumption.

But... I just.... F*cking....

You know what....

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nice.

But... I just.... F*cking....

You know what....

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Yes, you just made an assumption and asked me to justify a statement that I never made and instead of owning up to your mistake and just asking how I reached my actual opinion, you deiced to play the victim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, you just made an assumption and asked me to justify a statement that I never made and instead of owning up to your mistake and just asking how I reached my actual opinion, you deiced to play the victim.

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